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Originally Posted by Rdkopper
Good write-up but you are not telling us anything completely new.
I do need sources in order to believe this 100%. The number one hole in your story is you stating that Jon and Richie wrote Sex Sells but this was supposed to be Jon's 3rd solo so Jon would be the songwriter, not Richie.
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That's not a hole in the story at all. Like Captain_jovi says, Sex Sells was supposed to be Jon's solo record in 1998. That changed when Jon and Richie started writing in late 1998, early 1999.
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper
Jon Co-writes with a ton of people, it's no secrete and I'm sure percentages vary. He might contribute 10% on some and 90% on others.
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Yeah, and by saying this you're pretty much explaining It's My Life. It'd be 90% Max Martin and then 10% Jon by tweaking the lyrics here and there and Richie adding some breaks in the song.
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper
In the late 90s, the music scene changed so much that Jon and Bon Jovi were becoming lost. They still had mega talent just didn't know which direction to go in. I think These Days and DA are brilliant but it wasn't matching the current music scene in America.
In 2000, Alternative music was out and The Boy Bands, Ricky Martin, etc were becoming it. The Record Co saw this as an opportunity for a Bon Jovi comeback. They fit right in with that pretty boy image. The Record Co / Max Martin threw them a song. Jon tweaked it. "My Heart Is Like An Open Highway, And Please Don't Ever Break it, I'll Cry" went to "My Heart Is Like An Open Highway, And Frankie Said I Did It, My Way"..... Richie didn't like it, he was wrong etc etc. Same with Tommy and Gina.
This is all old news.
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Again, you're telling the same story I just told you, yet you refuse to believe me?
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper
As far as AALY, the Bounce record was just weird. I think this is second to 7800 where Jon had limited control. That's why no song were on the GHs. So your AALY story could be true. This happens all the time in the music business.
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Really, how would you know? Again, you're making some statement saying it happens more in the music business yet considering the amount of artists I follow as much as I follow Bon Jovi I'm yet to find one that has put a song on an album they didn't write yet added their co-writingship to. Aerosmith didn't add Joe Perry's name to I Don't Want To Miss A Thing either, despite him tweaking the song here and there. They felt it was a Diane Warren song, but Jon lives by the idea of not putting anything out he didn't write so he just had to add their names to it. But go on, tell me about a few other examples, considering how it happens so often in the music industry. Back up your statements with some examples, please.
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper
Bon Jovi are not the most perfect song writers but they are very talented song writers. They have given or thrown away much more then they have taken in. And the ones they have taken in, they tried making their own as much as the record company allowed them to.
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I never said they're not talented songwriters. They've got a good ear as to what works for their audience, and it's been the co-writers of the past 10 years and the sound they're going for that have pretty much ruined the last 10 years on a creative level for me. If they'd use producers that would push them in the right direction creatively as opposed to the right commercial direction we'd be having albums that would sound a lot more like the classic Bon Jovi records of the eighties and nineties than the dire crap they've released the past 10 years. And that's got nothing to do with going with the times.
[QUOTE=Rdkopper;1084849]At the end of the day, it's a business and the record company owns them. They could write the most perfect album and if the record company says no, use this Max Martin song instead, then that's what they do.
IMO, Bon Jovi loses no credibility with me for situations that are out of their control especially when it come to record company decisions.
You're giving the record company way too much credit. Bon Jovi are not just some band that just started out. If Jon would like to release a live record tomorrow he'd be able to do so. Whether the record company would back it up with as much promo as they did for the HAND record is another thing, and that's probably why Jon lets the record companies have so much influence. He wants his music out there, and if it means selling out by including a song he didn't write, so be it.
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper
Jon just threw a song to the Beach Boys, I doubt that started with Max Martin first. Bottom line, Bon Jovi are more then capable but there are just some thing out of their control. You can tell when Jon speaks, he has an extensive vocabulary. He is definitely a talented guy
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Jon didn't throw a song at the Beach Boys, he just changed a few things here and there. The song had already been written so that's a bad example. How one doesn't lose credibility when things are out of their control makes no sense either. There's no need to lie about the entire way several songs were written, no one would lose anything with it unless...Unless Jon enjoys pretending he wrote certain big hits. But it's flaunting with things you don't have. It's the same as claiming you sold out a venue when 25% of the tickets haven't been sold, another thing Jon's very good at. Jon's credibility is always on the line when he speaks, considering he often blows things up to make them sound bigger. (Back to their roots, changes in the set, sold out shows, creativity in the song arrangements). Why would his songwriting not be such a thing? Why would that be the exception?
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