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EP41: Bobby Bandiera

Rocker Bobby Bandiera joins us in The Speakeasy tonight and strums his guitar oh so sweetly. The boys are taken with Bobby’s journey to the stage and his impressive musicality. This episode is packed full of some candy for your ears; earcandy if you will. Get some.

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Minute 58, he speak about Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. can someone tell me what he saying?. I do not understand well. Thanks.
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Minute 58, he speak about Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. can someone tell me what he saying?. I do not understand well. Thanks.
Bobby met Jon for the first time in the late 80s (he wasn't too sure exactly when) when he came to a Southside Johnny and the Jukes' show. During the show, Johnny took Jon's leather cowboy hat and threw it into the audience, unbeknownst to Johnny it had been given to Jon by Willie Nelson just two weeks prior. Jon wasn't very happy about that
Later (much later, if they truly met in the late 80's) Jon called him up to come play on his solo record (DA). They lived just 10 mins away from each other.

EDIT: oh yeah and the part about Richie was that Jon and Richie didn't see eye to eye, and tensions grew in the band. They both wanted to take the band to different directions. Not much else.
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Minute 58, he speak about Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. can someone tell me what he saying?. I do not understand well. Thanks.
Rolo, best I could tell, this is what he had to say about Bon Jovi:


58:05 DJ Mike:
So around that time I guess (c.1992, based on the Hummer story that Bobby had just told), maybe even a little earlier, Bon Jovi starts to hit the scene, right?

Bobby: Bon Jovi starts to hit the scene. Bon Jovi was a big fan of Southside’s who I’d been in his band for a good 15-18 years by that time. Jon had just come off the road from ….

(DJs and Bobby try to decide which record it was… )

Jon came around wearing this leather cowboy hat that Willie Nelson had given him and SS pulled off the hat and threw it into the audience

(DJ comments about SSJ being a dick)

Bobby: That’s Southside. That’s Southside. Southern Fried Johnny and the Jukes of Hazzard.

Bobby: So he gets past it (“Ah, ya sonovabitch. But that’s Southside… what are you gonna do? Although I did want to keep that hat! Willie Nelson gave it to me.”) Anyway, we were friends, we had become friends, and uh, over the next year or two, Jon was making a solo record, Destination Anywhere, and I wasn’t working that much with South so he calls me up, “You want to come over and play on the record?” I said, “Yeah, yeah, yeah…sure.” I only lived 10 minutes away, I live in…

(DJ comments RE: Bobby's nonchalance)

Bobby: But you know it’s funny, you know who they are, but when you become friends, they’re not that guy anymore. Now they’re your friends So it’s a different feel, a different outlook. I said, “yeah, yeah. I was changing the oil on my car. I’ll come over.” So I go over and play on a few songs on his, then solo album, Destination Anywhere. And we toured a little bit behind it, got out and promoted it a little bit. It was a great band we put together (Everett Bradley, Hugh McDonald, Sean Pelt and Jerry Cohen) so it was a good band. We did minimal touring behind that record. We were in Australia. We were in England. We did a bunch of stuff in the states…

DJ: You’ve toured all over the world with Bon Jovi…

Bobby: Years later, years later… So then a couple of years go by and we’re friends (How ya been? Christmas Dinner, Have a drink, How’s the kids? Blah blah…) [Jon said] “Uh, I’m trying to get you to come with the band, Bon Jovi.” I said, “Oh, that’d be great, that’d be great…” He said, “But I gotta… I gotta twist some arms because, y’know, they’re not that enamored with another guy in the band having to split another piece of the pie kinda thing…” Uh, uh and, I could understand, y’know. And Richie is ‘the’ lead guitar player in the band and…

DJ Derek: Richie Sambora?

Bobby: (role-plays a discussion between Jon and Richie over Bobby joining:
RS: “What do we need another guitar player for?”
JBJ: “Well… because we do… y’know?* Our music’s becoming fuller. So we do need another guitar player.”
RS: “Well, we’ve done alright so far.”
JBJ: “Yeah, yeah, whatever…”)

So it took a year or two before he could persuade those guys that me coming in the band was a good thing. And I went in the band and, y’know, it was a little rough road there. Richie and Jon weren’t seeing eye-to-eye anymore…

Derek: (aka BIG MOUTH - why didn’t he let Bobby finish what he was saying!!!!!): Aren’t, right now, they’re a little off terms?

Bobby: And they’re off terms now… and Richie wanted to see things his way and Jon wants to see things his way and one thing led to another and, uh, Richie’s not around anymore. I think Jon’s gearing up to do, uh, release another record I think in March…

Derek: Wasn’t Richie Sambora recently in rehab?

Bobby: In and out. In and out a couple of times… over the last few years…

Derek: And now he’s not touring with them at all?

Bobby: No… No, so apparently he’s not coming back. And ….

Derek (BIG MOUTH again!): Because that’s life sometimes?

Bobby: That’s life sometimes, y’know?

Derek: Hey, if Slash and Axl…

Bobby: See? There again… but they were both out there playing. Y’know, Slash didn’t go out as G & R, although Axl did. But Slash, he had one or two bands along the way. So, y’know, you don’t stop because you’re not playing together anymore. You do whatever the next project is. Hopefully it hits and you do alright with it and if it doesn’t, you just keep playing. You play with the boys in the bar and…

DJs ask if Bobby can play 'that acoustic ...' and they butcher WDOA)

Bobby: Blonde Andchovy (tells a funny story about Jon wanting Bobby to give him a new nickname...)
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Bobby met Jon for the first time in the late 80s (he wasn't too sure exactly when) when he came to a Southside Johnny and the Jukes' show. During the show, Johnny took Jon's leather cowboy hat and threw it into the audience, unbeknownst to Johnny it had been given to Jon by Willie Nelson just two weeks prior. Jon wasn't very happy about that
Later (much later, if they truly met in the late 80's) Jon called him up to come play on his solo record (DA). They lived just 10 mins away from each other.

EDIT: oh yeah and the part about Richie was that Jon and Richie didn't see eye to eye, and tensions grew in the band. They both wanted to take the band to different directions. Not much else.
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Rolo, best I could tell, this is what he had to say about Bon Jovi:


58:05 DJ Mike:
So around that time I guess (c.1992, based on the Hummer story that Bobby had just told), maybe even a little earlier, Bon Jovi starts to hit the scene, right?

Bobby: Bon Jovi starts to hit the scene. Bon Jovi was a big fan of Southside’s who I’d been in his band for a good 15-18 years by that time. Jon had just come off the road from ….

(DJs and Bobby try to decide which record it was… )

Jon came around wearing this leather cowboy hat that Willie Nelson had given him and SS pulled off the hat and threw it into the audience

(DJ comments about SSJ being a dick)

Bobby: That’s Southside. That’s Southside. Southern Fried Johnny and the Jukes of Hazzard.

Bobby: So he gets past it (“Ah, ya sonovabitch. But that’s Southside… what are you gonna do? Although I did want to keep that hat! Willie Nelson gave it to me.”) Anyway, we were friends, we had become friends, and uh, over the next year or two, Jon was making a solo record, Destination Anywhere, and I wasn’t working that much with South so he calls me up, “You want to come over and play on the record?” I said, “Yeah, yeah, yeah…sure.” I only lived 10 minutes away, I live in…

(DJ comments RE: Bobby's nonchalance)

Bobby: But you know it’s funny, you know who they are, but when you become friends, they’re not that guy anymore. Now they’re your friends So it’s a different feel, a different outlook. I said, “yeah, yeah. I was changing the oil on my car. I’ll come over.” So I go over and play on a few songs on his, then solo album, Destination Anywhere. And we toured a little bit behind it, got out and promoted it a little bit. It was a great band we put together (Everett Bradley, Hugh McDonald, Sean Pelt and Jerry Cohen) so it was a good band. We did minimal touring behind that record. We were in Australia. We were in England. We did a bunch of stuff in the states…

DJ: You’ve toured all over the world with Bon Jovi…

Bobby: Years later, years later… So then a couple of years go by and we’re friends (How ya been? Christmas Dinner, Have a drink, How’s the kids? Blah blah…) [Jon said] “Uh, I’m trying to get you to come with the band, Bon Jovi.” I said, “Oh, that’d be great, that’d be great…” He said, “But I gotta… I gotta twist some arms because, y’know, they’re not that enamored with another guy in the band having to split another piece of the pie kinda thing…” Uh, uh and, I could understand, y’know. And Richie is ‘the’ lead guitar player in the band and…

DJ Derek: Richie Sambora?

Bobby: (role-plays a discussion between Jon and Richie over Bobby joining:
RS: “What do we need another guitar player for?”
JBJ: “Well… because we do… y’know?* Our music’s becoming fuller. So we do need another guitar player.”
RS: “Well, we’ve done alright so far.”
JBJ: “Yeah, yeah, whatever…”)

So it took a year or two before he could persuade those guys that me coming in the band was a good thing. And I went in the band and, y’know, it was a little rough road there. Richie and Jon weren’t seeing eye-to-eye anymore…

Derek: (aka BIG MOUTH - why didn’t he let Bobby finish what he was saying!!!!!): Aren’t, right now, they’re a little off terms?

Bobby: And they’re off terms now… and Richie wanted to see things his way and Jon wants to see things his way and one thing led to another and, uh, Richie’s not around anymore. I think Jon’s gearing up to do, uh, release another record I think in March…

Derek: Wasn’t Richie Sambora recently in rehab?

Bobby: In and out. In and out a couple of times… over the last few years…

Derek: And now he’s not touring with them at all?

Bobby: No… No, so apparently he’s not coming back. And ….

Derek (BIG MOUTH again!): Because that’s life sometimes?

Bobby: That’s life sometimes, y’know?

Derek: Hey, if Slash and Axl…

Bobby: See? There again… but they were both out there playing. Y’know, Slash didn’t go out as G & R, although Axl did. But Slash, he had one or two bands along the way. So, y’know, you don’t stop because you’re not playing together anymore. You do whatever the next project is. Hopefully it hits and you do alright with it and if it doesn’t, you just keep playing. You play with the boys in the bar and…

DJs ask if Bobby can play 'that acoustic ...' and they butcher WDOA)

Bobby: Blonde Andchovy (tells a funny story about Jon wanting Bobby to give him a new nickname...)
Thank you very much JackieBlue.
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Thanks very much for the transcript JackieBlue. Much appreciated.
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DJ: You’ve toured all over the world with Bon Jovi…

Bobby: Years later, years later… So then a couple of years go by and we’re friends (How ya been? Christmas Dinner, Have a drink, How’s the kids? Blah blah…) [Jon said] “Uh, I’m trying to get you to come with the band, Bon Jovi.” I said, “Oh, that’d be great, that’d be great…” He said, “But I gotta… I gotta twist some arms because, y’know, they’re not that enamored with another guy in the band having to split another piece of the pie kinda thing…” Uh, uh and, I could understand, y’know. And Richie is ‘the’ lead guitar player in the band and…

DJ Derek: Richie Sambora?

Bobby: (role-plays a discussion between Jon and Richie over Bobby joining:
RS: “What do we need another guitar player for?”
JBJ: “Well… because we do… y’know?* Our music’s becoming fuller. So we do need another guitar player.”
RS: “Well, we’ve done alright so far.”
JBJ: “Yeah, yeah, whatever…”)

So it took a year or two before he could persuade those guys that me coming in the band was a good thing. And I went in the band and, y’know, it was a little rough road there. Richie and Jon weren’t seeing eye-to-eye anymore…
Much appreciated Jackie.

I isolated this part because for all the flak we give Jon (myself included) and all the criticism regarding his CEO status and blah blah blah, this at least paints a more grey picture. Jon could have easily overruled the other's opinions but it took years to convince them. So I guess that makes the problem more of an ongoing battle of egos/personalities between Jon and Richie since probably forever, than just evil Jon dictating everything at all times and making the band's members miserable and useless.

(I'm not alluding to anything said here, but to what it seems a general consensus about the band's dynamics. I admit to sometimes tend to believe it...)
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Bobby: (role-plays a discussion between Jon and Richie over Bobby joining:
RS: “What do we need another guitar player for?”
JBJ: “Well… because we do… y’know?* Our music’s becoming fuller. So we do need another guitar player.”
RS: “Well, we’ve done alright so far.”
JBJ: “Yeah, yeah, whatever…”)
Richie was right. They was done alright when they where 5 musicians.

When launched The Circle, they should have gone back to being 5.
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Much appreciated Jackie.

I isolated this part because for all the flak we give Jon (myself included) and all the criticism regarding his CEO status and blah blah blah, this at least paints a more grey picture. Jon could have easily overruled the other's opinions but it took years to convince them. So I guess that makes the problem more of an ongoing battle of egos/personalities between Jon and Richie since probably forever, than just evil Jon dictating everything at all times and making the band's members miserable and useless.

(I'm not alluding to anything said here, but to what it seems a general consensus about the band's dynamics. I admit to sometimes tend to believe it...)
You're welcome. I agree about the on-going struggles related to egos and personalities. I'm just not sure that necessarily means that Jon didn't overrule the band or exclude them from the decision-making process more in recent years than he did early on, which could have negatively affected the band dynamic and probably the creative process as well. (Not that I think that makes him evil; as an owner it's sometimes necessary to make unpopular decisions.) But if Bobby's role-play was anything close to accurate, it didn't sound to me like Richie was 'convinced' at all. It sounded a lot more like the 'my way or the highway' attitude we've seen recently than the five-fingered-fist illustration Jon used when talking about Garageland on the box set DVD.

In fact, it reminded me a lot of the SNL skit about naming the band, which still cracks me up (except for the prophetic ending, which makes me a little sad these days).

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You're welcome. I agree about the on-going struggles related to egos and personalities. I'm just not sure that necessarily means that Jon didn't overrule the band or exclude them from the decision-making process more in recent years than he did early on, which could have negatively affected the band dynamic and probably the creative process as well. (Not that I think that makes him evil; as an owner it's sometimes necessary to make unpopular decisions.) But if Bobby's role-play was anything close to accurate, it didn't sound to me like Richie was 'convinced' at all. It sounded a lot more like the 'my way or the highway' attitude we've seen recently than the five-fingered-fist illustration Jon used when talking about Garageland on the box set DVD
Yeah, sure Jon has the last word. It's his job after all. But I don't get the same impression many people have when he talks about being the CEO, the quarterback, blah blah. Since the beginning I've seen him like the ugly ducking in the band, only in this case a rich/powerful/hot ugly duckling hehe. But his interaction with the rest of the band over the years always struck me as a little bit distant. Probably closer in private, but I always saw Jon as being different from the rest, not because he's boss, just... as if he didn't quite belong there (to me it's pretty evident in the All Access Areas documentary). Again, I'm sure they all are very very close friends, but like many people, you can be pretty close to someone but express that bond in many ways, and in Jon's case it's not in the public personal interaction.

Anyway, I'm rambling, what I meant to say is that I always had the impression that the band was comfortable with their status quo over the years with Jon being the most visible one, if you will. And in return, Jon trusted them, valued their input and made sure everybody kept their dirty laundry hidden, kept them at the top of their game with nobody privy to the cracks that could damage them (not only Jon or the brand). But underneath the surface there's always something, one would be very naive not to think that. For whatever reason, it couldn't be fixed anymore. Bobbys' nonchalance when talking about Richie seems to indicate it's not something that happened overnight.

And to keep in topic, while I agree that Richie could feel betrayed when Jon added another guitarist (again, apparently it was a team decision, so maybe Dave/Tico/Hugh should be considered), you could also say, why wouldn't he listen to the reasons Jon gave, instead or throwing a tantrum? Not saying that he threw one (though if you read between the lines, I think it's hinted), just that Jon should be able to make decisions based on the needs of the band, whether Richie is going to act like a twat or not. Again, not saying that he acted, but you get my drift. Jon shouldn't held back if he felt the band needed to change something just because one member was going to get upset about it. He did the right thing (again, supposedly) and consulted with all of them. So if it's 4 against 1, should Richie sulk and sulk and years later bail on the middle of the tour? or should he man up and see past his ego, this is not a Jon decision, but a team one. Same could be said if it was Dave/Tico/Hugh who left, it's not against Richie, but against the idea that they should blame Jon for an unpopular decision if if was a team decision.

Anyway, whatever happened, I thought since minute one that it was a crashing of the egos and maybe we'll never hear the whole truth but to me it's clear it is what it is and frankly, I doubt they'll ever mend their relationship. Too much pride.

Oh, and if I was Richie I'd be waaaaaaay more hurt to lose the writing partnership than having a mediocre new guitarist who's there for the backing vocals mainly. The moment I saw they had so many new co-writers in Crush I knew something was amiss. It only took 13 years to manifest itself

ETA: The skit is soooo good. I guess they didn't bring the band as it hits too close to home lol

ETA2: Just to be clear, I'm not saying Richie should accept everything like a good boy and lose his voice. I see this scenario and I would have supported Richie if he had spoken out BEFORE making a mess (and shut up his mouth later). But I also see the scenario where he behaved like a spoiled brat when things didn't go his way and blamed Jon/Jon's ego/Jon's management when in fact it was something everybody but him agreed to
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