No Richie on current leg of the tour

SadieLady · #**11051** 10-07-2013, 07:46 AM

I think that IF Richie does come back for another record/tour, whatever contract he signs with JBJ Management would include severe penalties for not showing up due to "personal issues" or rehab. And rightfully so. When you are a performer (or really anyone employed), you have obligations about doing your job barring family crises or medical emergencies or any illnesses that would endanger your health or others'. Any problem you have with the job shouldn't prevent you from working while dealing with the issue.

nickolai · #**11052** 10-07-2013, 08:01 AM

As much as the communist approach is appealing, I dont think that's legal.

Wrath Mania · #**11053** 10-07-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nickolai

Really? Jon's pissed the fans off? DOnt think so. He's kept the tour together despite a VERY challenging and spiraling bunch of circumstances. I think fans would be pissed off if the tour was pulled - with all hotel and travel arrangements having to be cancelled and money lost etc...

A guitarist in Phil X who has only been covering in Bon Jovi on and off for a couple of years - yeah. Given the circumstances Phil X has done a brilliant job. He's no Richie and has only got about 2% of the Bon Jovi back catalogue under his belt - with very little time to learn more do you blame Jon for playing it safe?

The band have the option to say NO. But they know full well an album + tour=$$$ muchos. Its called earning a living. Richie being a diva? Seriously? More like a ****ing joke. A total moron.

You do recall that they were still pulling off pretty varied set lists with Phil X as recently as this tour, right? What were getting now has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

If you think the average fan doesn't hold Jon and Richie in comparable scorn right now, you're lost. Which is, of course, what you are.

SuperBrad · #**11054** 10-07-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

You do recall that they were still pulling off pretty varied set lists with Phil X as recently as this tour, right? What were getting now has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

If you think the average fan doesn't hold Jon and Richie in comparable scorn right now, you're lost. Which is, of course, what you are.

Not exactly sure what you are talking about , but i think i agree .

Slakk · #**11055** 10-07-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nickolai

As much as the communist approach is appealing, I dont think that's legal.

So keeping Richie in a cage only let out for performances and even then chained to the white microphone stand is out?

semigoodlookin · #**11056** 10-07-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

You do recall that they were still pulling off pretty varied set lists with Phil X as recently as this tour, right? What were getting now has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

If you think the average fan doesn't hold Jon and Richie in comparable scorn right now, you're lost. Which is, of course, what you are.

You´re right about Phil X. At least in Europe there was some change, this has gone to the point of laziness, although I wouldn´t know how much Tico missing would mess with the setlists.

I think you´re wrong about the second part. I would agree the average Bon Jovi die hard is pissed with Jon, but I doubt the average fan who just buys a few records, a greatest hits, and attends one or two shows even gives a flying ****. Does the average Bon Jovi fan even know who Tico and Richie are?

Stranger11 · #**11057** 10-07-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nickolai

Really? Jon's pissed the fans off? DOnt think so.

Ok, where in my post did I write that Jon pissed the fans off? I said that many things were going wrong this year. Not everything was under Jon´s control but some things are just handled poorly.

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Originally Posted by nickolai

A guitarist in Phil X who has only been covering in Bon Jovi on and off for a couple of years - yeah. Given the circumstances Phil X has done a brilliant job. He's no Richie and has only got about 2% of the Bon Jovi back catalogue under his belt - with very little time to learn more do you blame Jon for playing it safe?

Oh please, the setlists are almost the same as last tour - which was also the case at the beginning of this tour WITH Richie. Phil (and I agree that he does a great job) is with the band since April and I think that he would be capable to learn a few more songs, if Jon wanted to shake the setlist up a little bit.

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Originally Posted by nickolai

The band have the option to say NO. But they know full well an album + tour=$$$ muchos. Its called earning a living.

As far as I know Tico said no at the beginning. And altough I don´t know it any better, I´m pretty sure that also Richie and David were not that thrilled. But as you said, album+tour means cash. And the biggest piece of the cake belongs to Jon.

Stranger11 · #**11058** 10-07-2013, 05:19 PM

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There are just as many fans that lay blame directly and solely on Richie for his departure and the handling of it and think he is the one that should put away the ladies panties and man up

I don´t defend Richie at all here. The whole mess started with his departure but it needs two to Tango. Only Richie can say why he left the tour but only Jon can say what Richie´s status in this band is (that´s what I meant in my post).
It´s been six months since this whole thing started and there´s still nothing official. And since three months not even the standard "We love Richie very much and he is still a member of the band"

RonJovi · #**11059** 10-07-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stranger11

As far as I know Tico said no at the beginning. And altough I don´t know it any better, I´m pretty sure that also Richie and David were not that thrilled. But as you said, album+tour means cash. And the biggest piece of the cake belongs to Jon.

That's not true. Jon phoned Tico to get him to come to the studio in 2011 and Tico said no so Jon worked away on his own. That's one of the most misquoted and misunderstood quotes Jon gave in this sorry mess and it has been misused as a stick to beat Jon with for months.

As for saying that David wasn't thrilled...has there been any evidence to suggest that?

There is a lot of stuff that you could beat Jon up about without making stuff up or misinterpreting stuff (either deliberately or otherwise).

rolo_tomachi · #**11060** 10-07-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi

That's not true. Jon phoned Tico to get him to come to the studio in 2011 and Tico said no so Jon worked away on his own. That's one of the most misquoted and misunderstood quotes Jon gave in this sorry mess and it has been misused as a stick to beat Jon with for months.

As for saying that David wasn't thrilled...has there been any evidence to suggest that?

There is a lot of stuff that you could beat Jon up about without making stuff up or misinterpreting stuff (either deliberately or otherwise).

Still the same problem. Jon has no respect for the band, they deserve a time of freedom.

About David, not know if he was happy or not with this Album-Tour, but in the documentary "When We Were Beautiful", he not seen very passionate when it comes to Bon Jovi working.

This band does not feel right, it is a reality. Richie's flight is still a mystery. I think Richie is tired of Jon's decisions. Or maybe Jon has hurt the pride of Richie deeply, and therefore have not yet been fixed things up. Jon is very arrogant and thinks only of himself. If Richie have the wounded pride and is awaiting Jon's apologies, we can say Richie is not coming back, because Jon is not going to lift a finger to make it happen.

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