No Richie on current leg of the tour

rolo_tomachi · #**2611** 05-01-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi

I don't think the point is specific to Richie.

I think Steel Horse is saying that if a band member gets sick and pulls out of a tour, is that a reason to slag off the lead singer? Whether it's Richie, Tico or Dave - it wouldn't really matter.

The only thing that logically doesn't add up for me in that scenario is that, about two weeks after he dropped out, Jon, by his own admission, still hadn't spoken to Richie. If this was an illness, I'd have fully expected him to.

No matter what the reasons. The stark reality is that, without Sambora, I can not see Bon Jovi, just would not go to see Led Zeppelin without Page. Bon Jovi are my Beatles, my Led Zeppelin, my Rolling Stones. You are able to understand my point of view?

angelsambo · #**2612** 05-01-2013, 10:49 AM

i hope jon understands that the setlist needs now a dramatic change(into a more rock direction)to save this situation to some extent.

The Rock · #**2613** 05-01-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica80

Well right now Richie is looking like the bad guy in all of this. If he has quit he should just come out and say it, fans would understand that more than the shit we are being fed. If he rejoins the band and just didn't fancy touring this summer, then I will lose a lot of respect for him.

I'm gutted he won't be there, I just can't imagine that stage without him. However, everything's been paid for and I'm looking forward to seeing everyone and getting away, so just gotta make the best of it. I really hope it doesn't mean a summer of autopilot JBJ though. It would be good if he could add a few special guests here and there , can't see it though.

I see the opposite. I think this will take him off autopilot and he will work over time to get the crowd on his side because Richie is not there.

steel_horse75 · #**2614** 05-01-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Sambora

Translated: "I'm a bigger and better fan than yous, I've even posted more posts so it must mean my opinion is more right than yours."

Not sure what the amount of posts a person has made has to do with anything? Maybe some prefer quality rather than quantity...

Maybe you're the kind of person that finds statistics important, but I think maybe given the tone of your post, perhaps you are the one that needs to grow up.

Not at all. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but to say "yeah Im gonna boo JBJ" or "Theyre shit" is childish.

RonJovi · #**2615** 05-01-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi

No matter what the reasons. The stark reality is that, without Sambora, I can not see Bon Jovi, just would not go to see Led Zeppelin without Page. Bon Jovi are my Beatles, my Led Zeppelin, my Rolling Stones. You are able to understand my point of view?

Absolutely I do and that is your right and makes sense to me even if I don't personally agree.

If you see my post a page back, I have said that I can understand this point of view completely. What I don't understand is people having a pop at Jon or the band and saying they won't go in protest when they have no idea if Jon has done anything to cause this.

steel_horse75 · #**2616** 05-01-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi

I don't think the point is specific to Richie.

I think Steel Horse is saying that if a band member gets sick and pulls out of a tour, is that a reason to slag off the lead singer? Whether it's Richie, Tico or Dave - it wouldn't really matter.

The only thing that logically doesn't add up for me in that scenario is that, about two weeks after he dropped out, Jon, by his own admission, still hadn't spoken to Richie. If this was an illness, I'd have fully expected him to.

Bang on....

gkkes · #**2617** 05-01-2013, 10:56 AM

Just to add a couple of things to the speculation from my personal experience. (Past Nazareth drum roadie)

I'm the same age as Richie, have a family. I've been working in TV sport for 25 years. I've travelled maybe a million miles round the world by plane. In the last 2 years I've experienced 3 terrifying flights. These affected me so much that I get anxiety attacks every week that I get on a plane. Often I need help, I'm not addicted. I'm looking for an alternative way to earn my living that doesn't involve flights to every job! I wouldn't want my employers to know this....

I also read much about Phil X. I know he can never be as good as Richie for many fans. He has been contracted to do a job, at quite an attractive rate I'm sure + the thrill of performing to huge audiences.

Query - how does he approach it? He can really only play the guitar parts faithfully as they appear on the albums... Casual fans may only know these versions from CD or radio. Richie ad-lib's and jams live (sober or not), and everybody loves the experience, if Phil X bought his own skill and interpretation to those well known numbers everyone would ask "what the hell"?
From the YouTube clips I see often that JBJ wants to involve him, needs some interaction, but X seems wary! I can understand he is wary, he's a stand in, not a replacement.

I hope now that, as it has been announced, he will be performing with Bon Jovi for SA/Europe, that he will get the confidence and support to "perform", rather than just play the album tracks.

I'll certainly get tickets for the gigs I can drive to.....

rolo_tomachi · #**2618** 05-01-2013, 10:56 AM

I'm not going the show for give food to the workers of the tour. If I go to a show is for to see on stage "Jon & Richie" do what they always do.

rolo_tomachi · #**2619** 05-01-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi

Absolutely I do and that is your right and makes sense to me even if I don't personally agree.

If you see my post a page back, I have said that I can understand this point of view completely. What I don't understand is people having a pop at Jon or the band and saying they won't go in protest when they have no idea if Jon has done anything to cause this.

ok, I agree.

Neurotica80 · #**2620** 05-01-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rock

I see the opposite. I think this will take him off autopilot and he will work over time to get the crowd on his side because Richie is not there.

Without getting into the Europe vs States argument, I really think he will have to as Germanys Richie fan base alone is huge. He will be missed over here more, that's a fact. Only have to look at his solo ticket sales, RS could have done a full blown European tour by himself.

Wanted without Richie will be very, very weird for me.

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