No Richie on current leg of the tour

Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

I think part of the reason is because Jon likes to answer band questions lately with "I...I...I" It's about him! And when Richie is there, Jon seems to cringe whenever he answers a question. Check out how annoyed he is when Richie interjects at 3:20:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNpwfFYUZDk

Originally Posted by Beaky

I think you're right and I think the reason 'the organisation' states that the issue is simple and the issue is personal to Richie is in fact because it is a falling out but it's one sided.

We've discussed why it's probably not rehab or family issues already (many, many times) and yes, this is speculating but my feeling is that Richie has grown a pair. I honestly think this is how it's unfolded...

(BE WARNED - ANYONE WHO FINDS SPECULATION ABOUT THIS BAND A BIT UPSETTING, LOOK AWAY NOW OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT CRY)

1. Richie wanted to keep pushing his record, he believed in it and feels the job is only half done. Leaving it at this stage feels all wrong to him.

2. He feels the exact opposite about the Bon Jovi record. He didn't show up to rehearsal in London, his involvement was minimal, it wasn't made in the same organic way as their records in the past and certainly didn't come from a place anywhere near HIS heart. He was focusing on his solo record and wanted to leave the new Bon Jovi album until autumn 2013, giving him a year to focus on Aftermath.

3. The touring schedule completely f*cked with his plans for the solo album. He went into the tour resenting the hell out of Jon, the record and the band. But, being Richie, he decided to have a damn fine time performing. However, I really don't think he likes the new songs as much as Jon wants him to. Missing rehearsal to sit in his room and watch football, but still showing up and playing the new Jovi shows how little they stretch him

4. Jon won't let him play an Aftermath song live. Jon has an album to promote and he believes in it. Richie can sing a Bon Jovi song live but not a song from Aftermath. I think Richie's involvement in WAN, even in those he has writing credits on were minimal and much like many here, he sees the new album as a 'Jon' album. In the past, this hasn't been a problem but this time, he has a record sitting behind him that he really does believe in and is desperate to let people hear.

5. Richie does his Tip Cup busking and Jon is pissed that he doesn't take the opportunity to plug the band's record, focusing instead on Aftermath.

6. Bannergate... Richie is really getting pissed off by now.

7. The end of the first leg and Richie decides to discuss some of the issues with Jon but is basically told, 'we have an album out and we need to promote it.' Jon isn't being an arse about it, there's just not a lot he can do about Richie's issues, they are in the middle of a US tour. Sure, he could let him sing a song from his album but my guess is, Jon resent Aftermath a little, he must have heard it and must know how much colour and passion Richie put into it. So, f*ck him. It's time to go to work.

As far as Jon is concerned, there's nothing to discuss. The tour goes ahead, Jon hasn't moved the goal posts, so the issues are Richie's and his alone... they're personal... and the solution is simple... come back when you're ready, we'll be here.

Simple. Personal. Issues.

Originally Posted by jbjhand

i think that's the best speculation so far. Is that true about Richie no showing for rehearsal with the band in london?

Originally Posted by jbjhand

i think that's the best speculation so far. Is that true about Richie no showing for rehearsal with the band in london?

Originally Posted by jbjhand

The tension in that room was awful

Originally Posted by Beaky

I think you're right and I think the reason 'the organisation' states that the issue is simple and the issue is personal to Richie is in fact because it is a falling out but it's one sided.

We've discussed why it's probably not rehab or family issues already (many, many times) and yes, this is speculating but my feeling is that Richie has grown a pair. I honestly think this is how it's unfolded...

(BE WARNED - ANYONE WHO FINDS SPECULATION ABOUT THIS BAND A BIT UPSETTING, LOOK AWAY NOW OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT CRY)

1. Richie wanted to keep pushing his record, he believed in it and feels the job is only half done. Leaving it at this stage feels all wrong to him.

2. He feels the exact opposite about the Bon Jovi record. He didn't show up to rehearsal in London, his involvement was minimal, it wasn't made in the same organic way as their records in the past and certainly didn't come from a place anywhere near HIS heart. He was focusing on his solo record and wanted to leave the new Bon Jovi album until autumn 2013, giving him a year to focus on Aftermath.

3. The touring schedule completely f*cked with his plans for the solo album. He went into the tour resenting the hell out of Jon, the record and the band. But, being Richie, he decided to have a damn fine time performing. However, I really don't think he likes the new songs as much as Jon wants him to. Missing rehearsal to sit in his room and watch football, but still showing up and playing the new Jovi shows how little they stretch him

4. Jon won't let him play an Aftermath song live. Jon has an album to promote and he believes in it. Richie can sing a Bon Jovi song live but not a song from Aftermath. I think Richie's involvement in WAN, even in those he has writing credits on were minimal and much like many here, he sees the new album as a 'Jon' album. In the past, this hasn't been a problem but this time, he has a record sitting behind him that he really does believe in and is desperate to let people hear.

5. Richie does his Tip Cup busking and Jon is pissed that he doesn't take the opportunity to plug the band's record, focusing instead on Aftermath.

6. Bannergate... Richie is really getting pissed off by now.

7. The end of the first leg and Richie decides to discuss some of the issues with Jon but is basically told, 'we have an album out and we need to promote it.' Jon isn't being an arse about it, there's just not a lot he can do about Richie's issues, they are in the middle of a US tour. Sure, he could let him sing a song from his album but my guess is, Jon resent Aftermath a little, he must have heard it and must know how much colour and passion Richie put into it. So, f*ck him. It's time to go to work.

As far as Jon is concerned, there's nothing to discuss. The tour goes ahead, Jon hasn't moved the goal posts, so the issues are Richie's and his alone... they're personal... and the solution is simple... come back when you're ready, we'll be here.

Simple. Personal. Issues.

Originally Posted by Beaky

About 1min 34 seconds in...

He didn't show to Sunday rehearsal, which was, apparently, not planned until the night before.

He showed up for the planned Monday rehearsal.