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I noticed that as well, at first I thought "what if Jon hates it enough to have it deleted" lol
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Def Leppard just announced the Pyromania 40th Anniversary Edition and yet again they show Bon Jovi how it's done. The album remastered, a disc of unreleased demos and rough mixes, two live discs, and a blu ray with various remixes including Atmos and istrumental versions, and all of the videos from that album.

https://store.defleppard.com/collect...th-anniversary

Surely something like this for Slippery has to happen at some point!

Even a double vinyl edition of the Bon Jovi debut would have been welcomed with the demos and mixes on one side of the second disc and the Live 85 stuff on the other. Rather than just a reissue of the same single album on red Vinyl. Oh well...
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Def Leppard just announced the Pyromania 40th Anniversary Edition and yet again they show Bon Jovi how it's done. The album remastered, a disc of unreleased demos and rough mixes, two live discs, and a blu ray with various remixes including Atmos and istrumental versions, and all of the videos from that album.

https://store.defleppard.com/collect...th-anniversary

Surely something like this for Slippery has to happen at some point!

Even a double vinyl edition of the Bon Jovi debut would have been welcomed with the demos and mixes on one side of the second disc and the Live 85 stuff on the other. Rather than just a reissue of the same single album on red Vinyl. Oh well...

Thanks for the update there!

To be fair, we did get a DualDisc release of Slippery When Wet back in 2005 which had a brand new alternate mix of the album in 5.1 surround sound, which was then ported over to Blu Ray about a decade later. We also got the New Jersey Deluxe Edition in 2014 which was 2 CDs and a DVD so it’s not like Bon Jovi don’t know how to do a grand re-release of some of their classic albums.

I appreciate that a bit more could have been done with the Deluxe Edition of their debut album but Pyromania is easily a much more iconic album, so it’s bound to have more effort put into a re-release anniversary edition.
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Thanks for the update there!

To be fair, we did get a DualDisc release of Slippery When Wet back in 2005 which had a brand new alternate mix of the album in 5.1 surround sound, which was then ported over to Blu Ray about a decade later.
But for an album as huge as Slippery that's a poor attempt. Especially when we know that had live shows from that tour in the vault and that there are a bunch of unreleased demos from that era.

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We also got the New Jersey Deluxe Edition in 2014 which was 2 CDs and a DVD so it’s not like Bon Jovi don’t know how to do a grand re-release of some of their classic albums.
Well, this was a start, but they could have done so much more with this, add live recordings, vinyl, and actually be bothered to promote it. Which they didn't. I accept that the timing wasn't great either with Richie having just left band.

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I appreciate that a bit more could have been done with the Deluxe Edition of their debut album but Pyromania is easily a much more iconic album, so it’s bound to have more effort put into a re-release anniversary edition.
Yeah I accept that but a physical release of the demos and live stuff would have been possible on doubly vinyl. I'm not expecting a 5 disc version like Pyro. I mean Def Leppard even releaserd an "Early Years" box set of their first two albums with a bunch of unreleased stuff, live shows, B-sides, etc added. Neither of these are such iconic albums.
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Yeah I accept that but a physical release of the demos and live stuff would have been possible on doubly vinyl. I'm not expecting a 5 disc version like Pyro. I mean Def Leppard even releaserd an "Early Years" box set of their first two albums with a bunch of unreleased stuff, live shows, B-sides, etc added. Neither of these are such iconic albums.
I think the difference is DL's early albums has a stronger fan base that likes their earlier sound more than their pop leaning sound of Pyromania onwards....BJ and 7800 don't have that groundswell.

With Def Lep's arrival being part of the New wave of British heavy metal label, I think it's a fair asseessment that they have people that would want this. BJ's early era never had that gravitas. In my opinion.
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I think the difference is DL's early albums has a stronger fan base that likes their earlier sound more than their pop leaning sound of Pyromania onwards....BJ and 7800 don't have that groundswell.

With Def Lep's arrival being part of the New wave of British heavy metal label, I think it's a fair asseessment that they have people that would want this. BJ's early era never had that gravitas. In my opinion.
Disagree. I know many rock fans that still think of the first Jovi album as their favourite. 7800 less so. I really don't understand why you wouldn't think there would be a market for it. The Bon Jovi fan base alone is enough to make it worthwhile. Bands with much much smaller fan bases do it all the time. Hell, Whitesnake it doing it with their albums from the last 20 years that no one really cares about outside of their hardcore fan base. It's just lazyness, unwillingness on team Bon Jovi's part. To think that a double vinyl edition wouldn't be sellable when a single vinyl version, that has already been reissued before, is doesn't make any sense. I guarentee they would have sold more copies if they had made it a double with the bonus tracks. People look at it and see that it's the same as what they already have but on Red Vinyl and think..nah!

A few years ago it was apparently worthwhile to put together a box set of all the albums on Vinyl. At that price tag no one outside of the fan base was going to be interested in that, so it doesn't make sense that that would be viable but deluxe editions wouldn't be.
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Disagree. I know many rock fans that still think of the first Jovi album as their favourite. 7800 less so. I really don't understand why you wouldn't think there would be a market for it. The Bon Jovi fan base alone is enough to make it worthwhile. Bands with much much smaller fan bases do it all the time. Hell, Whitesnake it doing it with their albums from the last 20 years that no one really cares about outside of their hardcore fan base. It's just lazyness, unwillingness on team Bon Jovi's part. To think that a double vinyl edition wouldn't be sellable when a single vinyl version, that has already been reissued before, is doesn't make any sense. I guarentee they would have sold more copies if they had made it a double with the bonus tracks. People look at it and see that it's the same as what they already have but on Red Vinyl and think..nah!

A few years ago it was apparently worthwhile to put together a box set of all the albums on Vinyl. At that price tag no one outside of the fan base was going to be interested in that, so it doesn't make sense that that would be viable but deluxe editions wouldn't be.
"The Bon Jovi fan base alone is enough to make it worthwhile" This is me talking completely regional. Unless you are hardcore, if it's not SWW, NJ, and the catalouge of greatest hits, it's blank stares. Outside of North America maybe it would work, I don't know! But I didn't realize the first two albums had a big enough fanbase.

I don't even know how well that box set sold or how limited the release was.
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"The Bon Jovi fan base alone is enough to make it worthwhile" This is me talking completely regional. Unless you are hardcore, if it's not SWW, NJ, and the catalouge of greatest hits, it's blank stares. Outside of North America maybe it would work, I don't know! But I didn't realize the first two albums had a big enough fanbase.

I don't even know how well that box set sold or how limited the release was.
You don't need to sell millions of these things to make it a worthwhile project. A label like Universals make a pretty big percentage of their profits from these kind of releases. If Whitesnake can do it for an album from 2008, then Bon Jovi can do it for any release - regardless of what territory we are talking about. You are stil understimating the popularity of these kind of vinyl releases and box set releases. You can't keep basing it on a really poor performance of a box set nobody knew about ten years ago because Jon decided he didn't want to promote it. Even a Record Store Day double vinyl would have worked! However many of these single vinyls they have sold, they would have doubled it at least with a more exciting release in my opinion. "Let's just release the same thing, but in RED" is just lazy any way you look at it.
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