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Actually there will be 2 albums:



http://www.billboard.com/articles/bu...nd-compilation


The journalist compares it to another "marketing tool" (sic):

That's how it always works: the albums are released months if not one year before the show starts so that people know the songs and like them so much that they want to see them live, ie buy tickets for the show. It's the first time I hear about a musical with no album available, it's very weird... And no leaks=no interest, even the lyrics didn't leak although the show has gone public for 5 days now...
Not every situation works this way. It really just depends. You are reflecting back 16 years ago when things worked differently. Radio has changed drastically since then and every broadway play is different.... Obviously any soundtrack release is supposed to accompany the movies / show production. That's overall common sense. One promotes the other.

Some people buy the soundtrack because they loved the play and some people will go to see the play because they enjoyed the soundtrack due to their favorite artist playing on it... But when was the last time you or anyone for that matter knew any broadway songs months before a play or just knew any broadway songs in general?
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No, Mr. BS, I'm not "reflecting back 16 years ago when things worked differently", I described the way business is done TODAY which is the same as 10, 15 or 20 years ago. You're a producer, you want to make a maximum of money with your show, so you sell the songs BEFORE the show starts for the reasons that I + the journalist explained (the fact that he gave an old example doesn't imply that things are different today). It also allows you to have a direct source of money to finance your show, which is better than ask your banker a loan that will cost you extra money.

Then once the musical is on, you make sure that a lot of merchandise is available at the theater: posters, programs, T-shirts, mugs but most of all the album because the one thing that kids absolutely want to go home with is the songs. Ask any parents about any Disney movie or musical if you don't believe me, it's a real plague!

And FYI, Broadway is not the only place where you can see musicals, London and Paris offer many different shows all through the year. BTW "Finding Neverland" was first played in England not on Broadway.
No album before the show and no album at the show is bad marketing and business, period. "Fail" in internet lingo.

To answer your last question: European radio stations play songs from musicals that won't be in theaters before up to one year and I'm sure it's the same on your side of the pond, it's called promotion. Once again, think Disney for a good picture of how this business works. Another example that comes to my mind is Sting's musical (which had to stop after only 3 months): the main song which is also the name of the show, "The Last Ship", was played on the radio + on TV months before the show hit the stage.
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No, Mr. BS, I'm not "reflecting back 16 years ago when things worked differently", I described the way business is done TODAY which is the same as 10, 15 or 20 years ago. You're a producer, you want to make a maximum of money with your show, so you sell the songs BEFORE the show starts for the reasons that I + the journalist explained (the fact that he gave an old example doesn't imply that things are different today). It also allows you to have a direct source of money to finance your show, which is better than ask your banker a loan that will cost you extra money.

Then once the musical is on, you make sure that a lot of merchandise is available at the theater: posters, programs, T-shirts, mugs but most of all the album because the one thing that kids absolutely want to go home with is the songs. Ask any parents about any Disney movie or musical if you don't believe me, it's a real plague!

And FYI, Broadway is not the only place where you can see musicals, London and Paris offer many different shows all through the year. BTW "Finding Neverland" was first played in England not on Broadway.
No album before the show and no album at the show is bad marketing and business, period. "Fail" in internet lingo.

To answer your last question: European radio stations play songs from musicals that won't be in theaters before up to one year and I'm sure it's the same on your side of the pond, it's called promotion. Once again, think Disney for a good picture of how this business works. Another example that comes to my mind is Sting's musical (which had to stop after only 3 months): the main song which is also the name of the show, "The Last Ship", was played on the radio + on TV months before the show hit the stage.
You are a Pisser. Thanks for the 6th grade lesson on Marketing. I think I'm actually dumber now but thanks.

- No - They don't play Broadway Musicals on any radio stations here in the US.
- Disney and Broadway are two totally different entities so I don't find your analogy relatable.
- Yes, you did provide me with an example from 16 years ago which was a different world back then.
- Finally how does a Soundtrack allow you to have a direct source of money to finance your show? You are clueless bro. This isn't 16 years ago. There is no money to be made off these songs and the ones that do, go towards the artists who contributed. What do you think, Jon did that out of the kindness of his heart?

Get a clue bro. You are overthinking everything.
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Have you considered blocking each other?

And, actually, they do play Broadway songs on satellite radio in the USA.
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Sorry, Becky, it seems like I can't say ONE thing without RudeKipper having a bad reaction and doing the only thing he knows: insulting and bullshitting...


@Rdkopper: congrats! You once again managed to prove what a dumbass you are, not mentioning YOU are clueless!

Just to set the record straight and then I'll go back to ignoring you because you're a lost cause:
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- No - They don't play Broadway Musicals on any radio stations here in the US.
Check again! Memory, I Dreamed A Dream, All That Jazz, Hakuna Matata...

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- Disney and Broadway are two totally different entities so I don't find your analogy relatable.
Yet you should. Never heard about "The Lion King"? "Beauty and the Beast"? "Aladdin"?
https://www.phactual.com/7-disney-mo...dway-musicals/
http://www.azcentral.com/story/enter...cals/19180731/

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- Yes, you did provide me with an example from 16 years ago which was a different world back then.
No, I didn't, the journalist did.

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- Finally how does a Soundtrack allow you to have a direct source of money to finance your show? You are clueless bro. This isn't 16 years ago. There is no money to be made off these songs and the ones that do, go towards the artists who contributed. What do you think, Jon did that out of the kindness of his heart?
Hello??? The producer gets money from the record sales, that's how he gets his investment back + more if it's a success. What do you think, producers do that out of the kindness of their hearts?! The artists, engineers and personel who make the record get paid for what they do on the record and that's it whereas the songwriters (not the singers) get extra money from the sales (copyright), that's why so many musicians want to be credited as songwriters. But their percentage is a lot lower than the producer's. That's why so many musicians want to be producers too.
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Just block the guy and move on. otherwise these threads become cumbersome and most of us don't want to read the constant arguing. All it is is a pissing contest and most of us have seen enough of that around here.
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Yep! That's what I've just written I'd do!
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And, actually, they do play Broadway songs on satellite radio in the USA.
Sure Becky. That's exactly what Gary's overall goal is. To target satellite listeners who tune into the Broadway station.... Which bty was popular in 1999 according to OldJoy.
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Check again! Memory, I Dreamed A Dream, All That Jazz, Hakuna Matata...


Yet you should. Never heard about "The Lion King"? "Beauty and the Beast"? "Aladdin"?
https://www.phactual.com/7-disney-mo...dway-musicals/
http://www.azcentral.com/story/enter...cals/19180731/


No, I didn't, the journalist did.


Hello??? The producer gets money from the record sales, that's how he gets his investment back + more if it's a success. What do you think, producers do that out of the kindness of their hearts?! The artists, engineers and personel who make the record get paid for what they do on the record and that's it whereas the songwriters (not the singers) get extra money from the sales (copyright), that's why so many musicians want to be credited as songwriters. But their percentage is a lot lower than the producer's. That's why so many musicians want to be producers too.
1. You named 4 songs out of the many thousands written for broadway of which I have never heard of any on the radio. One might have been in a commercial.

2. Okay, so a few Disney plays were made into broadway musicals, wtf does that have anything to do with your prior point which was you comparing Broadway Play soundtracks to Disney Movie soundtracks?

3. You posted a quote from a journalist that was written 16 years ago. You posted it, you own it. And you were trying to educate people with it but I was smart enough to call you out on it. You own it bro. Don't blame the journalist.

4. I don't know where you're going with that last point but albums don't sell anymore! Period! Do you really think this soundtrack is going to kill it enough to have a direct source of money to finance their show? Are you kidding me? They'd be lucky to break even.

Oh 5. Having Becky agree with you, isn't necessary something to take as a compliment.
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