New Studio Album - Forever

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

Melodically it seems like a better and grown up combo version of Thank You For Loving Me, She's a Mystery and You Had Me From Hello. It's very good in that sense.

But vocal take is really bad, I'm sorry to say that. And this frustrates me, this is the exact job of producer. To say to the talent, look man we need to make another take and another take and another take. I get going for "vulnerable", but song seems it will be downgraded by lacklustre vocal take in final mix, similar to Labor of Love on chorus.

And let's please not pretend that in studio better is not possible, already Living Proof is much better, but also Legendary. Tone is bad, take is bad, producing means telling your singer it's not optimal, we need another take, and fighting for this argument.

Originally Posted by powernoize

Part of Kiss The Bride 15:15 minutes in

https://dcs-cached.megaphone.fm/NPR2...3278&t=podcast

Originally Posted by tobi is an animal

jon is a co-producer and the boss, his yes man buddy isn't gonna say shit about jon's horrific vocals. Shanks being there or not being there isn't gonna change anything vocally speaking. jon thinks he can still sing and no one is gonna tell him any different. Jon sounds passable on Luv Can, sounds absolutely dire on Amercian Reckoning, ole 1 take jon, as 1 take is probably all his vocal cords can handle is like the lottery at this point and most of the time we are gonna lose.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

This is an isnane take. just based on the doc and seeing how open everyone is with Jon's voice. "Jon thinsk he can still sing" he literally stopped recording his song because his voice was shit. Gosh, what a negative tainted view on it all given how much we just learned about how they operate.

Originally Posted by tobi is an animal

I seen an interview on ET where he said I can sing and based off of Legendary I would say he can't really sing anymore. American Reckoning somehow made it to an album without him stopping himself . Christmas Isn't Christmas somehow got recorded and released without him stopping himself. So he wasn't stopping when he couldn't sing imo. I can only go by the finished product that I hear and in my opinion he can't sing anymore. I can't imagine how bad that take was where he actually stopped himself. I haven't heard Kiss The Bride yet but based on what I've read the vocals are absolutely horrendous again.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Majority of those examples were recorded prior to the world knowing he knows how bad he sounds / how aware the band is. He's not hiding it. I guess I don't understand how we can watch five full hours of Jon and the group so painfully aware of the situation, Jon recording a song then stopping and saying "This sucks, let's scrap it for now" and still have the mentality that he's telling everyone in the band it's good, ya know?

Personally I think AR's style of vocals lend well to that style of song, others will disagree. Terrible vocals for a rock song tho.

"I can't imagine how bad that take was where he actually stopped himself" I'm genuionely curious, did you watch the doc?

Originally Posted by tobi is an animal

I haven't seen the doc, I'm not interested in watching 5 hours of jon play up his vocal struggles now that he's been caught.


Were these scenes where jon and everyone are so aware before or after the fallout from the last failed tour, where it got to the point where jon had no other choice but to acknowledge his vocal problems?
Are you saying jon didn't know his vocals were shot and was not trying to get away with shot vocals on the 2020 record and on that last failed tour?

The people that are so aware now of jon's vocal struggles couldn't tell his vocals were shot during the recording of the 2020 album? Or during the rehearsals for the tour that was to follow.

Originally Posted by JoviForever

Watch it and come to your own conclusion!