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Old 05-03-2024, 02:20 AM
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Yes, the fact that Richie felt like the guys did not show any compassion about what he was going through is a big deal and should not have been left on the cutting room floor.



I've been saying for years that the way they treated his was not the way you treat your friend or you brother for 30 years when he is going through a tough time. He was treated like an employee. After giving 30 years of your life to this, you would absolutely expect more from your bandmates.
How could they show compassion when the main goal was to make money to buy a football team...

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Old 05-03-2024, 06:41 AM
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If Richie handled the situation better, they could have done just like The Killers. Each member plays in the album they want, and do selected gigs/tours. Jon wants to do an album a year? Fine. Phil replaces Richie in one album and tour cycle, and all done. But the way it happened, I guess it's pretty much over for any arrangement.
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Old 05-03-2024, 09:45 AM
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How could they show compassion when the main goal was to make money to buy a football team...
Yes exactly and that sums it up for me. That took priority over the well being of your partner of 30 years that said he needed a break. That's what's sad to me..
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Old 05-03-2024, 09:47 AM
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If Richie handled the situation better, they could have done just like The Killers. Each member plays in the album they want, and do selected gigs/tours. Jon wants to do an album a year? Fine. Phil replaces Richie in one album and tour cycle, and all done. But the way it happened, I guess it's pretty much over for any arrangement.
That's a ridculous idea. Members of the band are not interchangable, if they are then it isn't a band at all. If Jon wanted to do solo albums between fine, but you can't have Richie taking part in every other album. It makes no sense. If you're brother is struggling and needs to take a break, you take a break, end of. The football team can wait.
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Old 05-03-2024, 11:00 AM
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True, a band like Bj is its members, you cant act like everyone is expendable...
jons comment about plug a guitar is fake as hell... we have shanks and x but iiiif you want you are welcome as a 3rd guitarist...
jon thinks this is a honest or clever response?? cause i ve seen it in more than 2 interviews...
i may be reading too much into it but chopra the director next to him was completely silent and looking down during all these like he was feeling this was bs...while in other responses he interacted...
Richies behind the stage footage was a nice move to set the record straight, but Richie has nt take fully responsibility for his part...egos all around unfortunately..
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Old 05-03-2024, 11:38 AM
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Richies behind the stage footage was a nice move to set the record straight, but Richie has nt take fully responsibility for his part...egos all around unfortunately..
You're right but he has at least apologised for the way he did it now, which I think is a big thing for Jon.

Jon showed regret about forcing What About Now on to the band. BUT he also hasn't taken responsibility for the fact that he shouldn't have let Shanks record Richie's parts. When he was talking about The Fighter Jon still didn't seem to understand why it was a problem for Richie that Shanks recorded it - he was very dismissive about it, like he didn't see the issues. They all just need to sit in a room together and talk it out.
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Old 05-03-2024, 12:36 PM
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You're right but he has at least apologised for the way he did it now, which I think is a big thing for Jon.

Jon showed regret about forcing What About Now on to the band. BUT he also hasn't taken responsibility for the fact that he shouldn't have let Shanks record Richie's parts. When he was talking about The Fighter Jon still didn't seem to understand why it was a problem for Richie that Shanks recorded it - he was very dismissive about it, like he didn't see the issues. They all just need to sit in a room together and talk it out.
I thinks goes hand in hand with him stating back then that Richie was no The Edge. I think you didn't see his input as valuable and unique. And that's why Richie's been pissed. He thinks he deserves the same respect.

And I agree. In my eyes, he isn't a generic guitarist. His legacy with the band exceeds it and should be remembered for that. I think he generally is in the public eye.
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Old 05-03-2024, 04:53 PM
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You're right but he has at least apologised for the way he did it now, which I think is a big thing for Jon.

Jon showed regret about forcing What About Now on to the band. BUT he also hasn't taken responsibility for the fact that he shouldn't have let Shanks record Richie's parts. When he was talking about The Fighter Jon still didn't seem to understand why it was a problem for Richie that Shanks recorded it - he was very dismissive about it, like he didn't see the issues. They all just need to sit in a room together and talk it out.
He didn't show proper responsibility for Shanks, no. He still seems too enamored with Shanks, almost like he sees him as some kind of savior of the band. I saw the situation with The Fighter differently. I don't think he was necessarily being flippant when he said "that's all it was". He goes onto to admit he didn't realize how much of an issue was there and he regrets that.

I see the documentary as potentially more cathartic to Jon and Richie than others seem to. Jon didn't completely throw Richie under the bus and Richie said sorry and didn't refute some long-standing claims. Jon admitted to errors. The biggest problem is Jon saying Richie is welcome alongside Shanks and Phil X. Maybe he did not mean as the third guitarist, but he was not clear enough. I see room for movement but it requires both.

Although, at this point for me it will just be to close the circle with the band back together. After hearing the new music from both, I have lost all faith that together they could make good songs again. If they can't do it on their own, I have doubts they can as a partnership.
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I thinks goes hand in hand with him stating back then that Richie was no The Edge. I think you didn't see his input as valuable and unique. And that's why Richie's been pissed. He thinks he deserves the same respect.

And I agree. In my eyes, he isn't a generic guitarist. His legacy with the band exceeds it and should be remembered for that. I think he generally is in the public eye.
Such a strange and petty comment from Jon that was. Not least because Richie has contributed to most Bon Jovi songs as a writer. If he was just the guitarist, fair enough. But Jon knows what Richie brought to the band as a sidekick. At least in the documentary he more honest about Richie's role.

Although, I sort of agree about him being a generic guitarist. In terms of Bon Jovi, his role, and standing with the fans, absolutely he is not generic. Purely as a guitarist I have more doubts. He is not Eddie Van Halen for example.
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Old 05-03-2024, 05:18 PM
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I don't for a second think Shanks is around because he likes his playing, He is his production security blanket and knows his vocals inside out and what can be done production wise. Him playing on a lot of the post 2005 songs probably helps knowing that at least the guitar will sound like the record (the one thing that does).
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