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bonjovi_cro · #**501** 04-27-2024, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlooking

Richie himself said Jon was a massive help to him during the initial years, I guess around 2005 and 2010. Something happened following the 2011 tour. Let's be honest, everything points to WAN as the catalyst.

Either way, the worst thing Jon did was essentially remove Richie as his main guy. You can see this hurts Richie by the way he talks about it in the documentary. Jon himself admits he ignored or didn't see how important it was to Richie. I am 50/50 on blame for all this, but essentially replacing your main creative partner after 30 years is poor form. And then basically rubbing his face in his replacement. I don't think Jon was doing it purposely to Richie, but still.

Yeah, and I think Shanks is much more of a problem to Richie than Phil X. Phil is here to remember the solo and nail it in live situation. Shanks basically replaced Richie as songwriter, co-producer, best pal, dynamic duo, whatever.

If Jon's asking Shanks instead of Richie about new bridge, about new idea for riff, about these new lyrics for another chorus, etc., and Richie is relegated to be Hugh of the band, I guess that is the final straw. But I do mean final, cause first straws are probably somewhere else. Just an anecdote, I remember one look Richie gave to Jon in (pre?) WAN live promotions (I think in UK? BBC perhaps), when seeing that, I was thinking miracle that he didn't leave then and there.

PanosBonJovi · #**502** 04-27-2024, 03:13 PM

Damn Alec is kinda getting defamed in the documentary and he's not even around to defend himself.

But, Hugh being there since day 1, just wow. We knew he was getting involved on way or another but he wrote Livin' on a prayer bass line? Didn't hear that one before.

Captain_jovi · #**503** 04-27-2024, 03:26 PM

I know we'll never know for sure but David saying Richie relasped during pre-production for WAN hits different than Jon saying it. It would certainly make more sense to the timeline. By late 2012 Richie had his shit together, but I don't know what period is considered pre-production.

semigoodlooking · #**504** 04-27-2024, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

I know we'll never know for sure but David saying Richie relasped during pre-production for WAN hits different than Jon saying it. It would certainly make more sense to the timeline. By late 2012 Richie had his shit together, but I don't know what period is considered pre-production.

The Greatest Hits cycle and tour ended July 2011, yes? WAN released March 2013. Richie launched Aftermath in September.

Richie was good through the promotion of Aftermath, which went until at least December when he was on Craig Ferguson.

Surely WAN was in pre-production before December 2012, considering Because We Can released in January 2013.

So, WAN would have been in pre-production maybe during summer of 2012. It is possible that Richie fell off the wagon during that summer, went to rehab or whatever to clean himself up and that explains why he was so fresh during the Aftermath run.

Being forced into producing WAN known his album was about to come out may have done it.

The other scenarios are Dave was incorrect about the timeline and it was not during pre-production, or he is just lying.

bonjovi90 · #**505** 04-27-2024, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi

Damn Alec is kinda getting defamed in the documentary and he's not even around to defend himself.

But, Hugh being there since day 1, just wow. We knew he was getting involved on way or another but he wrote Livin' on a prayer bass line? Didn't hear that one before.

I didn't feel that at all. Especially 'cause it wasn't Jon saying it, but David and Tico (who definitely was really close to him) pointed out that the kind of drugs Al was doing (I think Dave mentioned speed) were impairing him in a way that he couldn't keep up with it at some point anymore (that was when Jon only said that he had to start writing the simple chord progressions down). It always felt like they were more sorry that he had to go this way than they wanted to bash him. Also the way they mentioned how his passing made them think of their own mortality in the last episode was well done.
And I can't believe any fan didn't know by now that basically all bar the Fahrenheit record had been Hugh in the studio.

semigoodlooking · #**506** 04-27-2024, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I didn't feel that at all. Especially 'cause it wasn't Jon saying it, but David and Tico (who definitely was really close to him) pointed out that the kind of drugs Al was doing (I think Dave mentioned speed) were impairing him in a way that he couldn't keep up with it at some point anymore (that was when Jon only said that he had to start writing the simple chord progressions down).

I think Richie also confirms the situation with Alec too.

Captain_jovi · #**507** 04-27-2024, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlooking

The Greatest Hits cycle and tour ended July 2011, yes? WAN released March 2013. Richie launched Aftermath in September.

Richie was good through the promotion of Aftermath, which went until at least December when he was on Craig Ferguson.

Surely WAN was in pre-production before December 2012, considering Because We Can released in January 2013.

So, WAN would have been in pre-production maybe during summer of 2012. It is possible that Richie fell off the wagon during that summer, went to rehab or whatever to clean himself up and that explains why he was so fresh during the Aftermath run.

Being forced into producing WAN known his album was about to come out may have done it.

The other scenarios are Dave was incorrect about the timeline and it was not during pre-production, or he is just lying.

Yeah it's all very dicey. Aftermath was released in September, leaked in I want to say May-ish. Wikipedia (i know I know) has WAN recorded January–August 2012 but does that include pre-production and writiing? Quite a few interviews he gave in that era he says the band album was done BEFORE he started recording o Aftermath but that could also mean he thought it was done or his role in it was finished which impies all of his stuff was recorded over if he thought it was done?

It's aboslutely possible David is lying, but you can hear the hurt and worry when Tico And David say they wanted to help him but dont know how etc. I'm not really saying they're right or wrong or lying or saying what Jon wants but had he relapsed it would lend more creedence to them not being as shocked about Calgary and were expecting something more so than being fine since the previous time.

PanosBonJovi · #**508** 04-27-2024, 04:49 PM

Am I the only one getting the sense they ain't coming back on the road again?

Jovi98 · #**509** 04-27-2024, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Wikipedia (i know I know) has WAN recorded January–August 2012 but does that include pre-production and writiing?

WAN writing session according to shanks in one interview started in October 2011 and if I remember correctly he said that they spent 8 months for write and at this point also recording he meant i think…

Shanks said: "With this record, Jon [Bon Jovi] really wanted to take his time writing, so we took eight months on and off to write the album”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sou...bout-now%3famp

In one Hugh interview in January 2012 “at the minute 1:56”say that Jon wrote about 20 songs or more at that point, but they didn’t start the demo process or recording process yet..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RS0scL...YW1tIDIwMTI%3D

What About Now song’s snippet was released on YouTube in February 2012.

I remember i read one day in one news in one page somewhere that Jon couldn’t be in one event in January 2012 because he was busy at one recording studio and they only showed one his video pre-recorded where he was talking about the event or something…

And this is a news posted about the album in may 2012 that i can’t believe it’s true hahaha.
Probably Richie lied for media or this is fake, he talked very well about WAN.

Richie’s words about WAN album “I translated”:

“We're working on it in the studio and what we have, I have to admit, sounds great,” said Sambora: “Jon and I are still writing.

I was in New York, we saw each other, and we got a bunch of great songs out of it that we started pre-producing pretty basically a couple of weeks ago. This will be released at some point in early 2013."

https://www.rockol.it/news-374596/bo...del-2013?amp=1

Captain_jovi · #**510** 04-27-2024, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovi98

WAN writing session according to shanks in one interview started in October 2011 and if I remember correctly he said that they spent 8 months for write and at this point also recording he meant i think…

Shanks said: "With this record, Jon [Bon Jovi] really wanted to take his time writing, so we took eight months on and off to write the album”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sou...bout-now%3famp

In one Hugh interview in January 2012 Â“at the minute 1:56”say that Jon wrote about 20 songs or more at that point, but they didnÂ’t start the demo process or recording process yet..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RS0scL...YW1tIDIwMTI%3D

What About Now song’s snippet was released on YouTube in February 2012.

I remember i read one day in one news in one page somewhere that Jon couldn’t be in one event in January 2012 because he was busy at one recording studio and they only showed one his video pre-recorded where he was talking about the event or something…

And this is a news posted about the album in may 2012 that i can’t believe it’s true hahaha.
Probably Richie lied for media or this is fake, he talked very well about WAN.

Richie’s words about WAN album “I translated”:

“We're working on it in the studio and what we have, I have to admit, sounds great,” said Sambora: “Jon and I are still writing.

I was in New York, we saw each other, and we got a bunch of great songs out of it that we started pre-producing pretty basically a couple of weeks ago. This will be released at some point in early 2013."

https://www.rockol.it/news-374596/bo...del-2013?amp=1

GOD DAMN thank you for putting this together!!!

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