Thank You, Goodnight: The Bon Jovi Story, coming to Hulu

I agree on your last argument. It’s not the schedule that’s the main issue, but his demons and lack of success to get free of them, however we frame it. I’m just saying that schedule was very busy, at least most busy it ever was in Jovi's existence. I don’t think this is controversial statement by any means.

On your assessment of how hard touring on that level is, I must say I don’t necessarily agree. The cycle of writing, producing, recording and promoting album away from your family is a mental toll. No different than other large projects, okay, but I don’t think it’s fair to bring it down to relative ease of manual work of going around the world. For example, I was sitting in my room for basically several months without going out while finishing my thesis against the deadline, it’s not hard by any manual metric, but it’s very very taxing as a genuine mental process.

And this is not directed now to you, but sometimes I have a feeling that we’re dealing with Richie’s problems as some unicorn case, as something completely not normal in rock world or music industry. While the opposite is the case. Relatively small number of bands survive even after few albums. His peers have crashed and burned to substance abuse, famous artists, singers, guitar players went down by suicide, even on tours, under heavy impact of fame, touring, creative process, demons, whatever. Richie is an artist, for better or worse of that term.

I just don’t want to deny him a right to be exhausted or that successive cycles of albums/tours did take mental toll, while his life beyond the band was falling apart. I’m not saying he was right or I’m making a case that he is not to be blamed cause evil Jon made him go on lengthy tours, just that I can see it in a way that’s not complete empty excuse. Perhaps he uses it too much, he falls on it, perhaps he rationalized it through it, but it doesn’t mean it’s not relevant in any capacity just because he overestimates it.

But is this really fair? So basically Jovi had almost double the amount of studio album cycles than any artist you mentioned. It's also not fair of me to prolong this argument, I'm not saying only Jovi has been working hard. I was thinking about RHCP, Metallica, U2, etc. when talking about number of albums/tour cycles, but compared to any major act Jovi did have a rather busy schedule. In the years 2000 - 2012, there were 6 studio albums. I think it's fair to say that's a lot.

I just finished it and I loved it. It was more emotional than I expected it to be. I was really impressed by how much hurt and vulnerability Jon allowed to be captured.

I tell you who came across incredibly well and seems like the nicest guy in the world: Everett Bradley. What a guy.

Yes he is.

You can see the respect he has for the Band, and was emotional about JBJ's vocal issues. He's with the Band to the end....

Surely you have to realise that they didn't just have time off when they were not on the road, those 6 months here and there would all have been spent writing, demoing, recording. rehearsals, etc. It's hardly time off. Then you have to take care of all the everyday life stuff that you don't get to take care of when you are away for 8 months or however long the last tour was. It's not as black and white as you make it sound.

This made me laugh out loud, so thank you

I agree. I mean what are we discussing here, that having 6 studio albums in 13 years and (at least) 6 different cycles of albums and tours is not a lot in relative terms compared to any other artist, let alone their peers in similar situation? We can skew statistics however we want, but if we really dig in detail, I would be hard pressed to find more "productive" and hard working band than Jovi in that exact time frame (2000-2013)

I think this cannot be argued against. What is relevance of this schedule for Richie's subsequent absence is of course up to debate.

Finished watching.

Well, it did it. Answers arrived.

Jon is a hypocrite talking about this isn't a puff piece. He is playing the victim with no mention of his ambition to buy a football team which was the real driver for the unrelenting album and tour schedule....
He put that above the band's health and wellbeing and basically replaced Richie on WAN when he wasn't responsive to Jon's schedule. So much for the "brotherhood"

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I feel sorry for Richie as it was such a shitty situation for him to be in... and to be replace by Shanks is such an insult. I don't know anyone who thinks that WAN was a good record and now it makes so much sense that it was essentially created without Richie

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