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Old 08-22-2015, 05:42 PM
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:56 PM
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You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, you're free to hate him all you want but for crissake, please base your opinion on true facts! And you're the one talking about maturity?!

What Richie DID say: "There's a huge difference in art form between what I did with the band Bon Jovi and then, you know.... Buddy Guy and BB King ushered me into the blues business 'cause nobody knew I could play... and Eric Clapton also... so I'm gonna be involved with that." *

Richie's talking about the early 1990s, when he got to play with some of his blues idols for the first time and when he was working on his first solo album, the one with Clapton playing for him for free because he believed in him, remember?

Richie did play with Buddy Guy and BB King a couple of times and neither you or I don't know how close to these guys Richie is/was because we don't live or work with him/them 24/7, we only see media coverage which is not much. Likewise you have no idea how Richie is perceived in the music business, you/we only know Richie as, in his own words, "BJ's sidekick".

He likes to call himself a bluesman, so what? Ain't that news! He never called himself the next SRV or something... or did I miss something? Methinks if he's asked to participate in various blues events and documentaries it's because the music industry thinks he's relevant and/or he has a lot of good friends. Or do you think they invite him just because he was BJ guitarist i.e. a world famous musician and having big names in your docu bring more viewers? I don't think so.

In almost every interview he does beside Orianthi he always says she's a much better guitar player than him, ain't that being humble and aware of your skills?! Or do you think he praises her only because he doesn't want to sleep on the sofa?

He didn't mention any BJ songs, you did because you interpreted his words in a way that suited your opinion towards him, not in an objective way.
When he says,"There's a huge difference in art form between what I did with the band Bon Jovi and (my solo work)" he's referring to the approach, not to the song themselves. Look at the ET interview posted in another thread:

http://www.etonline.com/music/170471..._sambora_exit/
Richie's trying to forget the formula and tackles different music genres and sounds on his last 2 albums (I mean "Every Road" and "The Richie & Orianthi Extravaganza" one). I for one appreciate the effort even though I don't like all the songs (no, idk the new album -save some bars from "Rise"- but I already know that I won't like much of it because I don't like Ori's voice. Sad but true). Yet I'll like their album because taking risks ranks higher in my book than, say, a 12 year-old formula of overproduced compressed loud sounds. And speaking about maturity (and credibility), I much prefer a 50+ songwriter who writes about his ups and downs than a 50+ songwriter who keeps on writing about "how to pick up a girl in 10 lessons" and "stand up, live your life, don't back down". But that's just me and that's because I'm a 50+ year-old father myself too.

Interestingly enough, Richie's been spending the last 15-18 months claiming he was working on "a new sound" (for his upcoming album) and in the most recent interviews/Q&A session Jon did he also announced "a new sound" for his upcoming albums. Hmmm... so we heard BB (meh!), now let's wait for the 2016 "real album"... produced by Shanks, as usual! D'OH!

What's wrong about wanting/trying to have a hit? Don't you think that Jon too "chases a hit to prove himself"? He too will never write another "wanted, blaze, these days, dry county and many more", he too is way past his prime and can't sing anymore and yet do you expect him to retire? I don't think so, so why should Richie? Both of them keep on doing what they've always been doing: music, but not together any longer, for better or for worse. Maybe the latter for Richie he needs to get hold of himself, no doubt! I understand he disappointed you (I'm on that road as well) but the difference between me and you is that I still ktf because I'm optimistic and know that depression doesn't last forever. Look at Jon: he said he was depressed in 2014 but now he's back. Richie just needs more time and support. Now that he gets to do what he likes best, at his own pace + he's in love like a teenager, he should be back in the rat race soon. And since he can count on the Van Zandts' support I have high hopes for him because Steve doesn't endorse losers!


*"that" is a documentary about BB King, Richie and other musicians have been asked to contribute to it, that's what he explained just before the part I transcripted above. And prior to this he also said he was executive producing a documentary about Robert Johnson.

He's also co-producing Brooklyn Allman's band's new album and played on and/or co-produced other upcoming artists' records, I forgot their names, check his + Ori's tweets/FB comments or this thread, I reposted some. One band is Desmond Child's new protégés, "something? De La Torre", that's all I can remember.

So yes, he's involved in a lot of shit these days, it's a true fact, just add 1+1.
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come on man i am stating some facts and you come evry other post trying to say that i am wrong and u are right in a not so kind way...
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ps2 the difference between u and me isnot optimism, u dont know shit about me u just read a post the way it suited u. the difference is i dont post after every post i disagree breaking balls,,,
OMFG! You had a bad night or what??? I didn't aggress you and I've never been after you. Do you think that I keep a black list of posters and I systematically reply to them every time they post?!!! FYI I hardly pay attention to the monikers when I read a post.

You asked me what my point was, my only goal was to set the record straight. No, you didn't "state some facts", you stated lies and mentioned things you don't know anything about, it's your choice but don't come here claiming you're mature.

OK, you didn't mention Jon, you just mentioned his songs, my bad for guessing and mentioning his name.

I expressed my opinion, so did you, and the POV/feelings you've just posted is paraphrasing most of mine, so what's your problem when we're basically saying the same things?
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:32 PM
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where did i said anything about maturity...you mention it for the second time...lies???what lies ? i misheard sth and i had no problem admiting it right away apart from this, you may disagree with everything i say or no, its your problem...i just see a guy who always try to set the record "straight" while he just says his opinion...
u re talking about maturity...whats exactly immature apart from the part we are here discussing and arguing about a band in a forum...
i follow many years the band and the forum and i have to clarity to have certain thoughts about every band member, noone is obliged to agree but i can back up my opinion.
the thing that is irritating about your responses is that u try push your opinion like the truth when u could just state your thoughts in a more polite less absolute way, its not the first time u are doing this, u may not realise it but it happens...
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:47 PM
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If Lady Gaga can marry the night I guess you can marry a post.
I'm not sure about having babies though... What kind of litter would it be?
One never knows how kids are gonna turn out but I would hope it would be the kind of litter that understand that you can dislike people's behavior without discarding the people themselves as failures; that know it's possible to disagree with an opinion and still respect the person who holds it; and that, ideally, expect the best from people, rather than the worst.
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DING!!

Nikos and Old Joysey, go to your corners and cool off!

(RDK, you just go stand in the corner! )
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One never knows how kids are gonna turn out but I would hope it would be the kind of litter that understand that you can dislike people's behavior without discarding the people themselves as failures; that know it's possible to disagree with an opinion and still respect the person who holds it; and that, ideally, expect the best from people, rather than the worst.
OK then can I adopt one or two?
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OK then can I adopt one or two?
That could probably be arranged.
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:43 PM
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OK, one last try and I'm gone. Jackie, I'm perfectly calm (and put me on the list re/the little creatures to be, TY!)

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where did i said anything about maturity...you mention it for the second time...
In your first post:
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i know i sound obsessed in a way but is really sad to see a guy like richie who could play and sing his ass off act and behave like this...maybe i m getting old but after a while if your childhood idols dont mature along with you its so much harder to still ktf...
or maybe you meant something else?




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lies???what lies ? i misheard sth and i had no problem admiting it right away apart from this, you may disagree with everything i say or no, its your problem...
I wasn't referring to the misheard words that made you go postal over Richie and it's not about agreeing or not either but about stating facts vs speculating when you have zero info regarding a topic (or if you do, please prove me wrong). I'll mention only one example because I don't want to write an academic text explanation:
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-he said he was close to bb king and his family, thats not true
THAT is not expressing your opinion, neither it is "stating a fact", it is a lie in the sense that you're leading people (your readers) to think that what you wrote is true when you know nothing about Richie and BB King's relationship as I previously wrote.
You (and many JTers) spend your (their) time stating things as if they were real facts/truths but they're not, they're just speculations and allegations. And yet you wrote this, you got some nerves!
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the thing that is irritating about your responses is that u try push your opinion like the truth
Don't accuse me of your own flaws, please thank you! Can you quote me? Where did I try to push my opinion like the truth? Please show me, I'm curious.




OK you didn't say you hated Richie, you wrote:
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for christ sake i cant stand the man the last couple years...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/d...eone-something
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/can't+stand


Now excuse me for calling a spade a spade.
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THAT is not expressing your opinion, neither it is "stating a fact", it is a lie in the sense that you're leading people (your readers) to think that what you wrote is true when you know nothing about Richie and BB King's relationship as I previously wrote
But that's the thing. Some of us do know what the relationship between Richie and several other stars are. Richie was never close to B.B. King, and Richie has a habbit of calling everyone his friend when he's played with an artist once.

The same goes for you saying as to people on here not knowing how Richie's perceived in the business. I do, and I'm sure others do as well. I've talked to other acts, and I know several other people who have talked to other band members, asking what they think of Bon Jovi and all of that.

But apart from all of that, Richie's not that hard to understand. You can easily read between the lines as to what he says, what he thinks, and what it's really like. If you can't, and think people base their opinion upon assumptions, I reckon it's merely your inability as to how to read him. Not others ability to simply assume things.

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