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Old 11-09-2016, 11:18 AM
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But that's exactly it - if all he cared about was success, his legacy and money, he'd never throw his support behind any candidate in such an overt manner. Whether you agree with it or not, his involvement seems to support the belief that he is far less business-driven than many would like to believe. If it were up to me, I'd love it if he doubled-down on the music, but it's his life, and if he feels he can make a positive change, who has the right to stop him?
What did all his "political work" do--nothing! Or maybe it might have helped Trump get elected which was the very thing he didn't want to have happen. I think people in the U.S. are getting tired of all these singers/actors, etc. telling them how they should vote.

He is making changes in a much better way with his Foundation work. Stick with that, making music, and then just going into the voting booth and vote how he wants to vote.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:21 AM
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:32 PM
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Jon is not a "kiss of death." There is statistically no way that the Democrats could win every election since Jon got involved in 2000. The American people are going to get fed up with one party or the other and vote for the other party, not necessarily the candidate. Trump winning is probably more about people being fed up with Obama's legacy and taxes and healthcare costs bleeding them dry than it is about personality. Economic growth, jobs, healthcare, taxes...... a lot of people didn't want more of the same. Plus Hillary is a terrible candidate, probably the most corrupt who's ever run, so if you're picking between the lesser of two evils, to a lot of people he was the lesser of two evils.

Now, I heard there were a record number of 3rd party voters. I'm eager to find out if anyone got that magic 5 percent.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:57 PM
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Jon is not a "kiss of death." There is statistically no way that the Democrats could win every election since Jon got involved in 2000. The American people are going to get fed up with one party or the other and vote for the other party, not necessarily the candidate. Trump winning is probably more about people being fed up with Obama's legacy and taxes and healthcare costs bleeding them dry than it is about personality. Economic growth, jobs, healthcare, taxes...... a lot of people didn't want more of the same. Plus Hillary is a terrible candidate, probably the most corrupt who's ever run, so if you're picking between the lesser of two evils, to a lot of people he was the lesser of two evils.

Now, I heard there were a record number of 3rd party voters. I'm eager to find out if anyone got that magic 5 percent.
So undereducated Americans elected a guy with no political background, whose business success is a lure, who says women must be grabbed by the pussy, who elude taxations and the list is endless... because they're fed up of institutional candidates ?
I guess they're more far stupid than they're said to be.


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Old 11-09-2016, 02:05 PM
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Sorry America (and the rest of the world)

Both candidates were pretty shitty. I loathe Hillary so much. Such a shame you had to choose between those two
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:29 PM
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The problem was Hilary Clinton, who will go down as the biggest failure in modern American politics. She had everything behind her, a popular president, massive resources, a former president husband, a hugely popular first lady, experience, and most other things.

The problem is, she's Hilary Clinton. She may be a lovely person, but outwardly there is something dislikeable about her, and she is/appears to be untrustworthy. A popular democratic candidate would have won states like Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. last night. Trump would have delivered a bloody nose, but not an incisive victory that gives the Republicans control of Washington.

Supporters of the Trump movement think he will deinstitutionalize D.C. Maybe that is his goal, but the Republicans are more about sticking to capital formulas than the dem's are, so I would caution against Trump voters who expect sweeping changes.

There was definitely an outpouring of disenfranchisement last night, it seems many are willing to simply ignore what Trump was and is in favor of getting behind strong rhetoric. He did not win a Republican race, he run as a populist candidate.

I guess now there are a few options. Trump as fairly predicted his rise accurately, so perhaps he is not as stupid or one-minded as people think and will deliver in the Oval Office. Perhaps he will run amok as is the fear (this is the least likely), a course that I believe would lead to him not finishing his term. Perhaps he will be reigned in by the RNC and become their puppet. And obviously, the most likely is he will become just another president and a footnote in history, as Hilary would have.
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The problem was Hilary Clinton, who will go down as the biggest failure in modern American politics. She had everything behind her, a popular president, massive resources, a former president husband, a hugely popular first lady, experience, and most other things.

The problem is, she's Hilary Clinton. She may be a lovely person, but outwardly there is something dislikeable about her, and she is/appears to be untrustworthy. A popular democratic candidate would have won states like Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. last night. Trump would have delivered a bloody nose, but not an incisive victory that gives the Republicans control of Washington.

Supporters of the Trump movement think he will deinstitutionalize D.C. Maybe that is his goal, but the Republicans are more about sticking to capital formulas than the dem's are, so I would caution against Trump voters who expect sweeping changes.

There was definitely an outpouring of disenfranchisement last night, it seems many are willing to simply ignore what Trump was and is in favor of getting behind strong rhetoric. He did not win a Republican race, he run as a populist candidate.

I guess now there are a few options. Trump as fairly predicted his rise accurately, so perhaps he is not as stupid or one-minded as people think and will deliver in the Oval Office. Perhaps he will run amok as is the fear (this is the least likely), a course that I believe would lead to him not finishing his term. Perhaps he will be reigned in by the RNC and become their puppet. And obviously, the most likely is he will become just another president and a footnote in history, as Hilary would have.
Spot on.

Hillary surely has her flaws, but she was a low-risk low-reward candidate. Which, ideology aside, I believe is still a preferable option when there's no terrible crisis or other disruptions.

The US will be fine as their presidents don't have that much power; but the foreign policy (NATO, Middle East), where that person is very influential now seems very uncertain; given how Trump's stance towards NATO has been more negative, while comments on Putin have been more positive; than any recent president. As someone who lives in a post-Soviet country (Lithuania), there is a lot of concern here. I just hope he fails to make significant change (and become a 'footnote', as you said), because the western democratic world has a lot to lose these days...
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:57 PM
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Old 11-09-2016, 06:29 PM
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Because some people prioritize making a positive impact to their countries and people; rather than increasing the sales of their album. Jon thought that his campaigning would contribute to stop Trump and I respect him for that. He's not stupid, he knows that getting involved in politics can only hurt an artist's fan-base; but commercial success, while important, is not above all to him.
Totally agree. The fact the guy cared and was passionate about getting who he believed would be best suited to lead our country, despite alienating some fans, is to be commended. Not happy at all with the result. Going to be interesting when the Trump supporters see no wall built, no mass deportation, tax cuts for his rich cronies, and no way to fight ISIS single handily since he knows more than our current generals don't you know!!
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Old 11-09-2016, 06:33 PM
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The problem was Hilary Clinton, who will go down as the biggest failure in modern American politics. She had everything behind her, a popular president, massive resources, a former president husband, a hugely popular first lady, experience, and most other things.

The problem is, she's Hilary Clinton. She may be a lovely person, but outwardly there is something dislikeable about her, and she is/appears to be untrustworthy. A popular democratic candidate would have won states like Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. last night. Trump would have delivered a bloody nose, but not an incisive victory that gives the Republicans control of Washington.

Supporters of the Trump movement think he will deinstitutionalize D.C. Maybe that is his goal, but the Republicans are more about sticking to capital formulas than the dem's are, so I would caution against Trump voters who expect sweeping changes.

There was definitely an outpouring of disenfranchisement last night, it seems many are willing to simply ignore what Trump was and is in favor of getting behind strong rhetoric. He did not win a Republican race, he run as a populist candidate.

I guess now there are a few options. Trump as fairly predicted his rise accurately, so perhaps he is not as stupid or one-minded as people think and will deliver in the Oval Office. Perhaps he will run amok as is the fear (this is the least likely), a course that I believe would lead to him not finishing his term. Perhaps he will be reigned in by the RNC and become their puppet. And obviously, the most likely is he will become just another president and a footnote in history, as Hilary would have.
Great post..and I pick door number 3, the RNC puppet.
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