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TheOriginalJez 04-04-2013 08:18 PM
Phil X is a nice enough guy, but he's a session guitarist who can afford to tour in a mega ****-off nice bus at his own expense so of course he's a little up himself. **** Matt, Richie himself tweeted that he just had to stay in LA for a little while - stands to reason something's happened in the family and he has to be there, which is fair enough. This is gonna come out as someone died or someone got hurt and, as usual, this board jumped on the jon is a twat bandwagon. let's face it, none of us know him - he could be the nicest guy in the world behind that media bandwagon, but we'll never actually know. And that's irrelevant anyway, let's just wish richie the best and hope that it's nothing that serious.

danfan 04-04-2013 08:21 PM
That tweet was awesome!

bjcrazycpa 04-04-2013 08:21 PM
I have to say even though I may not agree with a lot of the speculation, it makes for very entertaining reading.

ben 04-04-2013 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain.Crash (Post 1119752)
Im going to weigh in on this once just because it seems to be the thing to do.

There are so many different things that go through my head when i try to speculate on what is going on here, and face it its the natural thing to do.

1. I dont believe a think Matt BJ says so i pretend he doesnt even tweet, talk, type, whatever.

2. TMZ is a fairly reliable source and just because a lot of people dont like some of the things they publish, this story isn't crazy out to lunch.

3. I do believe there's a very good chance that this is involving a rift between JBJ and RS for a couple of reasons:

- JBJ has become a monster. There has been a slow shift to this being Jon and the rest of the band, and i know people are going to say "yeah hes always been the boss, blah blah blah" but the interviews used to include the band, they at least used to include RS. Now all i hear is JBJ doing interviews and saying ME, ME, I, MY, etc every chance he gets. You listen to his town hall interview and he is a bold face liar. About HIS shows, HIS tour, HIS this and HIS that, he lies. He lies about setlists, he lies when he makes comments like "my best is yet to come" and i could go on for hours.

- From what i saw in the 2 Toronto shows, there was something going on with JBJ and RS. Very little interaction between the 2, they seemed more disconnected than ever. The set was stale, the band sounded OK, and it seemed like a show that ive seen a million times with a band going through the motions.

- The band didnt want to tour this soon. JBJ made them. To me its about money. For this band doing a tour is like printing money. JBJ is smart and knows the window wont be open for ever so he's milking this thing for all he can. He's gonna keep doing sell out (or close to sell out) shows and every single time they make millions. He's even gotten so cocky with the setlists to the point where they could sing the alphebet and the masses will eat it up.

4. This band is not immune to these types of problems. Some people act like its not possible, that it cant possibly be a fight between "peas and carrots" - well guess what? If i was dealing with that ego (JBJ) every day I wouldnt have lasted this long no matter what the money is. RS has been through enough that he probably doesn't want the stress anymore. He has JBJ by the balls because he knows they cant go to Europe without him so he takes this break and tells JBJ "i'm taking the break you said i was getting" or something along those lines.

5. If it was alcohol, we would know by now. Plain and simple.

I really never thought i would get bored of this band. Ive been to 23 shows and always look forward to the next, but when you look at everything over the past 5 years I have come to the conclusion that Bon Jovi in 2013 is an afterthought. Nobody outside of these message boards cares about this band anymore. JBJ always talks about not being a nostalgia act, which again is a lie. Thats what they are. Outside of HAND (the Song), LH (The song) and maybe WWBTF - nobody wants to hear anything post 2000 at the shows. Most of the crowd just goes along with it because JBJ is bouncing all over the stage. (Which he doesnt even do anymore).

If this band wanted to protect its legacy they would have taken the break as planned. Make people wonder where they've been and come back with something somewhat fresh. Its my opinion that JBJ doesnt care about that either anymore and he would rather ride the marketing machine to the bank.

Its such a weird feeling to have such strong feelings towards JBJ himself but love the band and the music for what it is.

At the end of the day, none of this surprises me. Ive been wondering how the band puts up with him and his attitude/actions, and i really think that this time someone finally stepped up and did something about it.

Of course i could be completely wrong and that wouldnt change my feelings one bit, but when you think of it (if you want to believe it) the signs have been there for some time.

What a great post! can't agree more with you :)) like you're in my mind!
And I surely agree with the most of you here saying that BJ without Richie definitely is NOT the same band anymore, like you have a candy without sugar! this saddens me a lot and I feel very disappointed too. of course I understand Richie's needs! plus, as time goes by Jon gets more greedy and if it is for them to split they'd better do it soon considering their posthumous fame with dignity (of course this is just my opinion ok?)
but..... I think I'm not gonna travel to Milan though I was really looking forward to this show :((
thank you xxx

VanJovi 04-04-2013 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain.Crash (Post 1119752)
I really never thought i would get bored of this band.
I thought this would never happen to me either, and I've been a fan all my life. I am clueless what it is going on and decided not to post / speculate on anything. Hopefully we will know soon/one day. Whatever it is I hope it is ok for Richie's sake, if they haven't said anything yet, there must be serious business going on.

Roll 04-04-2013 08:36 PM
Apart from what may have happened in his life lately, Richie Sambora is very lucky to have such devoted fans.
Let's face it, his comment about the not loud enough guitar in WAN is a joke from a guy who released a record with such a poor guitar work last summer. I mean what he wrote and played is at best in the same league as what the band offered for WAN (I think in most cases it's much worse, and no need to talk about 7 years gone please). I repeat myself but even though Jon sounds like a dick with the CEO stuff, he's right on the money. To make a band so huge, to achieve such a high level of success, you need a vision. If it works, then you're right, Richie and David acknowledge that in When we were beautiful.
Now if anyone is unhappy with that in the band, they should leave, but leave Jon alone a moment.
By the way, if you want to hear a real guitar player with great songs, maybe you'd better turn to Slash. Apocalyptic Love beats the shit out of AOTL. It's got everything you want from a rock record and the guitar player doesn't sound like he's got MS...

rocknation 04-04-2013 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi (Post 1119734)
Is this still from the TMZ article or has something else come out?

If TMZ said the sky was blue I'd still look out the window to make sure.
LOL!!! TMZ is in the business of selling controversy. Their "source close to the band" is probably a papparazzi who tried to take their picture as they walked by!

The Rock 04-04-2013 08:49 PM
I'm finding out more and more. When they say it's personal for Richie, it's personal. No drink, drugs or health problems but personal. Think coming back from Hawaii holiday. Ex-wife. Where that child wants to live? who that child has been spending more time with.....there you go. A beautiful, teenager but still under 18 and needs custody. Mommy not happy at the moment.

Richie and Jon have their tension, they BOTH have their egos but they are both professional, every member is professional. Richie wouldn't do this in a tour. If he felt this strong, he wouldn't have come back for this tour. As someone said, it's better for him to work out his issues now, then to screw up Europe. Everyone knows that Jon is a smart man. Well that smart man knows he can't tour without Richie in Europe. Even Jon can put his ego aside and admit that one. Europe without Richie, if can be helped, will never happen. Richie is going overseas.

steel_horse75 04-04-2013 08:54 PM
Richie hasn't left.
If he had you would no by now
Everyone's just posting what they think or hypothetical scenarios they've made up in their mind.

steel_horse75 04-04-2013 08:56 PM
If Richie didn't want to be in the band any more he would have left before the tour started.
He wouldn't just walk out 10 ish shows in. He knows he would be letting 100,000s of fans down.

danfan 04-04-2013 08:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1119785)
If Richie didn't want to be in the band any more he would have left before the tour started.
He wouldn't just walk out 10 ish shows in. He knows he would be letting 100,000s of fans down.
Who knows? Anything could have happened. Maybe Jon wouldn't lube him up enough before the show.

LeaJovi 04-04-2013 08:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1119751)
I'm hoping it's a case that your sarcast-ometer is on the blink.
He needs some sarcasm lessons.

Keychange 04-04-2013 08:59 PM
Come on guys... BJ have been through a lot worse than this!

Doesn't anyone remember their These Days and Keep The Faith eras? Jon and Richie were both fighting physically back then night after night, show after show and they still managed to continue with the band. At one point I remember seeing Jon give a dead evil look to Richie just before the solo of LOAP in Chile 1990. If looks could kill, Richie would be 6ft under.

danfan 04-04-2013 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keychange (Post 1119788)
Come on guys... BJ have been through a lot worse than this!

Doesn't anyone remember their These Days and Keep The Faith eras? Jon and Richie were both fighting physically back then night after night, show after show and they still managed to continue with the band. At one point I remember seeing Jon give a dead evil look to Richie just before the solo of LOAP in Chile 1990. If looks could kill, Richie would be 6ft under.
Um, 1990 was before the Keep The Faith or These Days eras. It was also 23 years ago.

rocknation 04-04-2013 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1119783)
I'm finding out more and more. When they say it's personal for Richie, it's personal. No drink, drugs or health problems but personal. Think coming back from Hawaii holiday. Ex-wife. Where that child wants to live? who that child has been spending more time with.....there you go. A beautiful, teenager but still under 18 and needs custody. Mommy not happy at the moment.
You might be on to something -- the school year is winding down, and maybe the issue is that Richie had to spend more time with his daughter in order to retain his share of custody rights.

Captmorgs 04-04-2013 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1119783)
it's better for him to work out his issues now, then to screw up Europe.
Don't agree with this at all.

Keychange 04-04-2013 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1119789)
Um, 1990 was before the Keep The Faith or These Days eras. It was also 23 years ago.
F.Y.I. 1990 was the beginning of the TD era.

LeaJovi 04-04-2013 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roll (Post 1119780)
Let's face it, his comment about the not loud enough guitar in WAN is a joke from a guy who released a record with such a poor guitar work last summer. I mean what he wrote and played is at best in the same league as what the band offered for WAN (I think in most cases it's much worse, and no need to talk about 7 years gone please).
How about that's your opinion which I believe is not shared by many here and no, I won't "face it". To me AOTL is way better than WAN in almost every aspect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roll (Post 1119780)
Apocalyptic Love beats the shit out of AOTL. It's got everything you want from a rock record and the guitar player doesn't sound like he's got MS...
This is really offensive and makes you look ignorant.

nikos greece 04-04-2013 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keychange (Post 1119788)
Come on guys... BJ have been through a lot worse than this!

Doesn't anyone remember their These Days and Keep The Faith eras? Jon and Richie were both fighting physically back then night after night, show after show and they still managed to continue with the band. At one point I remember seeing Jon give a dead evil look to Richie just before the solo of LOAP in Chile 1990. If looks could kill, Richie would be 6ft under.
you mean new jersey tour...i think ktf and td tours were happy in general, everyone knew their place and richie was more involved...
jon especially after crush took himself too seriously...the bows at the end of every show is a strong indication...trying to outshine everyone...you are in a band...dont act like you are a solo artist with session musicians...i got in the anti jon mood...lol
anyway jon is the main reason why bj are rock legends, he is human, he makes mistakes but imo has to step back a little and take some lessons from other acts who reinvent themselves...even if these artists sell less tickets or anything...

Gabriel Shoes 04-04-2013 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain.Crash (Post 1119752)
Im going to weigh in on this once just because it seems to be the thing to do.

There are so many different things that go through my head when i try to speculate on what is going on here, and face it its the natural thing to do.

1. I dont believe a think Matt BJ says so i pretend he doesnt even tweet, talk, type, whatever.

2. TMZ is a fairly reliable source and just because a lot of people dont like some of the things they publish, this story isn't crazy out to lunch.

3. I do believe there's a very good chance that this is involving a rift between JBJ and RS for a couple of reasons:

- JBJ has become a monster. There has been a slow shift to this being Jon and the rest of the band, and i know people are going to say "yeah hes always been the boss, blah blah blah" but the interviews used to include the band, they at least used to include RS. Now all i hear is JBJ doing interviews and saying ME, ME, I, MY, etc every chance he gets. You listen to his town hall interview and he is a bold face liar. About HIS shows, HIS tour, HIS this and HIS that, he lies. He lies about setlists, he lies when he makes comments like "my best is yet to come" and i could go on for hours.

- From what i saw in the 2 Toronto shows, there was something going on with JBJ and RS. Very little interaction between the 2, they seemed more disconnected than ever. The set was stale, the band sounded OK, and it seemed like a show that ive seen a million times with a band going through the motions.

- The band didnt want to tour this soon. JBJ made them. To me its about money. For this band doing a tour is like printing money. JBJ is smart and knows the window wont be open for ever so he's milking this thing for all he can. He's gonna keep doing sell out (or close to sell out) shows and every single time they make millions. He's even gotten so cocky with the setlists to the point where they could sing the alphebet and the masses will eat it up.

4. This band is not immune to these types of problems. Some people act like its not possible, that it cant possibly be a fight between "peas and carrots" - well guess what? If i was dealing with that ego (JBJ) every day I wouldnt have lasted this long no matter what the money is. RS has been through enough that he probably doesn't want the stress anymore. He has JBJ by the balls because he knows they cant go to Europe without him so he takes this break and tells JBJ "i'm taking the break you said i was getting" or something along those lines.

5. If it was alcohol, we would know by now. Plain and simple.

I really never thought i would get bored of this band. Ive been to 23 shows and always look forward to the next, but when you look at everything over the past 5 years I have come to the conclusion that Bon Jovi in 2013 is an afterthought. Nobody outside of these message boards cares about this band anymore. JBJ always talks about not being a nostalgia act, which again is a lie. Thats what they are. Outside of HAND (the Song), LH (The song) and maybe WWBTF - nobody wants to hear anything post 2000 at the shows. Most of the crowd just goes along with it because JBJ is bouncing all over the stage. (Which he doesnt even do anymore).

If this band wanted to protect its legacy they would have taken the break as planned. Make people wonder where they've been and come back with something somewhat fresh. Its my opinion that JBJ doesnt care about that either anymore and he would rather ride the marketing machine to the bank.

Its such a weird feeling to have such strong feelings towards JBJ himself but love the band and the music for what it is.

At the end of the day, none of this surprises me. Ive been wondering how the band puts up with him and his attitude/actions, and i really think that this time someone finally stepped up and did something about it.

Of course i could be completely wrong and that wouldnt change my feelings one bit, but when you think of it (if you want to believe it) the signs have been there for some time.
Great post man!

danfan 04-04-2013 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keychange (Post 1119792)
F.Y.I. 1990 was the beginning of the TD era.
Really? You realize These Days came out in 1995, right?

Was 2008 the beginning of the What About Now era?

Mick_NY 04-04-2013 09:17 PM
What does "current leg of tour" actually mean?
From this article it looks like it's only North America:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/enterta...-band.html.csp

Hope there's nothing bad with Richie and that he can jump back onboard soon!

crashed 04-04-2013 09:19 PM
Personally I think you're all blowing this out of any sort of proportion. There's no indication whatsoever Richie is leaving or has left the band, or ever has any intention to.

Something came up. It happens.

nikos greece 04-04-2013 09:22 PM
i think by now its safe to say that richie isnt leaving...i dont know if the personal issues have a secret agenda or indicate a fight between jon and richie but even if i dont like richie missing shows so often i think its time for some things to change and everyone in the bon jovi camp realise richie isnt expendable...jon can be the leader but not by putting everyone else down...

Javier 04-04-2013 09:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick_NY (Post 1119797)
What does "current leg of tour" actually mean?
From this article it looks like it's only North America:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/enterta...-band.html.csp

Hope there's nothing bad with Richie and that he can jump back onboard soon!
It's just for the North American shows for this leg. they need Richie for everything outside of north America and they know this...

danfan 04-04-2013 09:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1119798)
Personally I think you're all blowing this out of any sort of proportion. There's no indication whatsoever Richie is leaving or has left the band, or ever has any intention to.

Something came up. It happens.
No doubt, things come up, but if that's the case, just say so. All this speculation is being brought up because they're being so secretive about it. It's no one's business what the reasons are for Richie, but at least give an indication that he'll be back at some point. They're being way too vague about the whole thing. But who knows? That could be the point. Get their name in the news, stir up more record sales.

steel_horse75 04-04-2013 09:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1119798)
Personally I think you're all blowing this out of any sort of proportion. There's no indication whatsoever Richie is leaving or has left the band, or ever has any intention to.

Something came up. It happens.
Exactly.!!!

danfan 04-04-2013 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1119800)
jon can be the leader but not by putting everyone else down...
Jon thinks he can.

kleman 04-04-2013 09:28 PM
For our brother Richie, dont you worry, he will be back............

Captmorgs 04-04-2013 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1119801)
It's just for the North American shows for this leg. they need Richie for everything outside of north America and they know this...
Why, because American fans are more loyal, and will support the band even without Richie?

Lisa71 04-04-2013 09:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1119802)
No doubt, things come up, but if that's the case, just say so. All this speculation is being brought up because they're being so secretive about it. It's no one's business what the reasons are for Richie, but at least give an indication that he'll be back at some point. They're being way too vague about the whole thing. But who knows? That could be the point. Get their name in the news, stir up more record sales.
Could it be that Richie doesn't want them to say anything? It's personal. They keep on saying it's personal. Someone mention ex-wife. It's got nothing to do with the music or his public life.

Richie said see ya very soon. Jon said on stage, he will be back. Maybe Jon is not sure himself when he will be back and so can't say. Maybe no one knows what is going on until it gets sorted out. I think they are saying what they know. Not what we want to hear.

danfan 04-04-2013 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1119807)
Why, because American fans are more loyal, and will support the band even without Richie?
LOL - Awesome!!!

danfan 04-04-2013 09:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa71 (Post 1119808)
Could it be that Richie doesn't want them to say anything? It's personal. They keep on saying it's personal. Someone mention ex-wife. It's got nothing to do with the music or his public life.

Richie said see ya very soon. Jon said on stage, he will be back. Maybe Jon is not sure himself when he will be back and so can't say. Maybe no one knows what is going on until it gets sorted out. I think they are saying what they know. Not what we want to hear.
Richie doesn't want anyone to know when he'll be back? Why?

Like I said, whatever the reason, it's his business, I could care less. I just want to know if and when he plans on returning.

BTW, that Wanted solo by Phil was awesome!

The Rock 04-04-2013 09:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1119807)
Why, because American fans are more loyal, and will support the band even without Richie?
Because American fans are more into Jon, then the band. Now I am not talking about the die-hards or us on this message board but in general, the band is really all Jon in America and the fans go and see him. I bet, if you aren't following the news, no one would have known that Richie wasn't there but just the die-hards.

Europe, the band is the band. Richie has a huge following in Europe. His solo shows were sold out in Europe. The audience is more band orientated and not this is Jon's band. Jon knows it, that is why Richie was there last time and that is why they are working their damnest to make sure he is there this time.

Supersonic 04-04-2013 09:39 PM
Aloha !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1119807)
Why, because American fans are more loyal, and will support the band even without Richie?
No, because Americans only know Richie from his failed marriage with Heather Locklear and his substance abuse. There's a few die hards here and there but most American fans go see Bon Jovi for Jon where most European fans go see Bon Jovi to see Bon Jovi. If it really was loyalty then where were all those loyal fans when Richie tried touring his record over there? He tours Amsterdam and plays 2 gigs there to do overwhelming demand. He plays New York and has to cancel his show due to low demand. But yeah, it's loyalty.

Aaaaand we're back to slamming America. You yanks make it so easy. :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1119811)
BTW, that Wanted solo by Phil was awesome!
Yeah, awesome, all the **** ups. But an American wouldn't hear this because he's too busy being loyal to the band.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

danfan 04-04-2013 09:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1119813)
Aloha !



No, because Americans only know Richie from his failed marriage with Heather Locklear and his substance abuse. There's a few die hards here and there but most American fans go see Bon Jovi for Jon where most European fans go see Bon Jovi to see Bon Jovi.

Aaaaand we're back to slamming America.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
So Europeans won't go to the shows if Richie isn't there?

Lisa71 04-04-2013 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1119811)
Richie doesn't want anyone to know when he'll be back? Why?!
The time frame seems to be this leg of the tour, maybe there's your answer. It just happened two days ago, Richie probably doesn't know himself when he will be back. They can't give a date if they don't know.

Just to add.

Jon's the boss, the CEO (which by the way, I think people take that comment from WWWB far too seriously but that's a whole other story!) The band knows their place, they know the deal. Yet they come back on every tour and do it again. If everyone hated it so much, why do they return? We can't make it black and white, cut and dry. He can't be as bad as everyone wants to make Jon out to be, if everyone keeps on coming back. I am talking about band, road crew, management team, hell even David Bergman returns! I know, I know money, money, money but it can't just be all about money. It's not like they are struggling and have to work at a shit job or they won't be able to pay their bills? So what makes them come back if Jon is the asshole everyone likes to proclaim him to be.

rightsideofwrong 04-04-2013 09:43 PM
^^ but that's where the european fans are wrong. Always thinking you're better more dedicated and just all around "better" fans. The show I went to in Milwaukee with Phil x all you heard anyone talk about was about richie. It's 100% okay to come down from the pedistal you place the European fan base on because its highly obnoxious. The whole no richie act does not blow over well here better than anywhere else.

LeaJovi 04-04-2013 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1119814)
So Europeans won't go to the shows if Richie isn't there?
That's an extremist position to take. They might be disappointed but that's just taking it too far.

samboraisgodUK 04-04-2013 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1119811)
BTW, that Wanted solo by Phil was awesome!
Are you kidding? It was shite. Not a patch on when Richie plays it.

I don't think Phil X is better than Richie at all, someone earlier said he could "play circles around Richie". I've seen no proof of that anywhere. From a completely objective standpoint, I much prefer Richie's guitar playing.


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