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nickolai 11-23-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1156642)
80% doesn't want to be the person that over thinks tweets but Matt tweeted "really excited.. next week is all about new beginnings then off to Japan and then Down Under... Very Excited to go back to Oz". What are the odds they're going to confirm Richie is out for good before the shows? Think I'm over thinking it?

Promotional suicide that would be. Nothing on Richie will be confirmed until WAY after the dust has settled

rocknation 11-23-2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1156649)
It's Thanksgiving next week in the states and he is also moving to a new house. I don't think it has anything to do with the band.

OH? Is he giving up the one in New York City, or is he keeping that as his city place? Is he giving up the one in New Jersey, or is he keeping that as a summer place? Or does he now consider the Hamptons his summer place?

:confused:

Sissy3 11-24-2013 01:01 AM

Maybe big brother gave him a pay raise so he's upgrading.

Sami 11-24-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1156630)
Aloha !



I don't give a shit what his excuse is this time or back then. Get your shit together and sign up for the tour, or stay home and get your shit together there. But don't join and then decide you can't get your shit together anyway. Jon has been at every single show and has never cancelled one because of his issues, sometimes even when he should have because he was too ill to perform. Stop giving the man shit for actually doing what he's supposed to do.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I appreciate Jon's work ethics. I always have. Like Seb said, he makes sure he does what he is supposed to do.

bonjovi821 11-24-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sami (Post 1156668)
I appreciate Jon's work ethics. I always have. Like Seb said, he makes sure he does what he is supposed to do.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone to criticize Jon's work ethic, especially in times of crisis for him and/or the band.

inb4 rolo with 9 youtube videos that ultimately prove nothing

rolo_tomachi 11-24-2013 12:04 PM

Jon's work ethic? That's the problem, for 10 years, the Jon's work ethic is sucks, is no longer a band more his fault. All the musicians have been relegated to "replaceable", either in a recording studio or upcoming tours.

John Shanks and Bobby Bandiera are more constant members than the rest of the band, that's the great work ethic of Jon. Damn, this is not an album/tour solo, but it is.

TwinFan 11-24-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1156671)
Jon's work ethic? Thats the problem, for 10 years, the Jon's work ethic is sucks, is no longer a band more his fault. All the musicians have been relegated to "replaceable", either in a recording studio or upcoming tours.

John Shanks and Bobby Bandiera are more constant members than the rest of the band, that's the great work ethic of Jon. Damn, this is not an album/tour solo, but it is.

That has nothing to do with his work ethic. You may not like HOW he does his job, but the bottom line is that he's done his job every night for the last 30 years. He's never missed a show. The same can't be said for Richie.

crashed 11-24-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1156671)
Jon's work ethic? That's the problem, for 10 years, the Jon's work ethic is sucks, is no longer a band more his fault. All the musicians have been relegated to "replaceable", either in a recording studio or upcoming tours.

John Shanks and Bobby Bandiera are more constant members than the rest of the band, that's the great work ethic of Jon. Damn, this is not an album/tour solo, but it is.

Richie made himself replaceable. I don't know why you just don't seem to get that, Rolo.

Jon could never then say in an interview Richie was irreplaceable, when he was put in the actual position that he HAD to replace him.

As for Bobby - I'm pretty sure he was brought in to cover for Richie in case he flaked out - which he did. Just a shame Bobby just doesn't fit Bon Jovi at all.

Jon wants to work - all the time - he always has, always will. That's never, ever changed. And we know he called Tico and tried to get him in the studio and Tico refused, so Jon went and worked anyway. And agreed it does seem it was a push too far for Richie - but they've known what Jon is like for over thirty years.

nickolai 11-24-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1156671)
Jon's work ethic? That's the problem, for 10 years, the Jon's work ethic is sucks, is no longer a band more his fault. All the musicians have been relegated to "replaceable", either in a recording studio or upcoming tours.

John Shanks and Bobby Bandiera are more constant members than the rest of the band, that's the great work ethic of Jon. Damn, this is not an album/tour solo, but it is.

What the hell are you talking about, Rolio?

In England we have a saying about football teams. No one player is bigger than the team. Look at the treatment Luis Suarez got at Liverpool from Brendan Rogers.

Richie Sambora is not bigger than Bon Jovi. If he thinks he is irreplaceable then he has the wrong ethos completely. Jon has done everything right in this tour. Yes, we all have our opinions on Jon and him rushing the album and it being mediocre. And I am in that league of people that do not like What About Now.

But if we're talking about pure touring over 30 years then Jon has been the perfect model of commitment. 2 bad knee injuries, severe hayfever, illness, personal circumstances in his family, he is always there. Everyone has shit going on in their life, but as Seb said (and its not often I agree with him) Richie should have sorted his shit out before the tour or just stayed away for the entire tour from the beginning. Therefore it would give fans more of a choice, rather than being "conned" into buying tickets, booking early flights and securing hotels.

How the hell can you say Jon has a poor work ethic I will never know. We all can judge his methods, setlists, album styles etc. If it isn't your cup of tea then don't listen to Bon Jovi anymore. But judging his work ethic that it sucks isn't your opinion. Its factually wrong.

rolo_tomachi 11-24-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1156673)
Richie made himself replaceable. I don't know why you just don't seem to get that, Rolo.

Jon could never then say in an interview Richie was irreplaceable, when he was put in the actual position that he HAD to replace him.

As for Bobby - I'm pretty sure he was brought in to cover for Richie in case he flaked out - which he did. Just a shame Bobby just doesn't fit Bon Jovi at all.

Jon wants to work - all the time - he always has, always will. That's never, ever changed. And we know he called Tico and tried to get him in the studio and Tico refused, so Jon went and worked anyway.


That is very unfair to the rest of the band, is not it?.
Before had break, if Jon is in need of work, he can do on a solo album. The rest of the band can live the life their own way too, and not just the life of Jon and their damn visions.

6 albums, 6 tours, it's a shame that all projects (members of band) have to stop because the CEO wants to make another record. He has to do his solo stuff, this band is adding too many mediocre albums by this constant Jon's work ethic. The spark has been lost with this damn process.

I can not blame both Richie, he has gone through hell personally, and has been in the band yet, now found himself with his new solo album, and it seems that does not matter and he can be trampled and forgotten because Jon projects come first, after having spent 10 years of continuous records/touring, bleeding for the cause, ....and in the end of day, Phil is the Hero. Why?. Jon is as responsible for the abandonment of Richie as himself, but that does not matter because Jon are every day on stage.


This sucks, Jon is so full of shit like Richie. But it is easy to pick a winner in this situation, right?


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