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My first thought when reading this wasn't that he'd fallen off whatever wagon, but maybe that Heather Locklear had or something had happened with his daughter.

I will probably be proven wrong, but a teenage daughter and the fact her mother has been in rehab recently herself might have had something to do with this?

Yes, I feel bad for the US fans and I'm worried about my own commitments to seeing them this tour if they aren't there as a full band - but so far details are sketchy at best.

Not that this confirms anything but Phil is pretty regular on his twitter page, several posts a day, but there has been nothing from yesterday or today yet. Things that make you go hmmmmm....

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Originally Posted by jbjhand (Post 1119352)

You are trying to have a very semantic argument with me about something I was not trying to debate. My original point was that substance abuse is not a disease.

I have not attempted to shame you or to make anyone think anything about you at all. In my experience of alcoholism I do not find that calling it a disease is an appropriate term. As I said previously some people are predisposed to addiction and that is a scientific fact. That does not make alcoholism a disease. What I said was not ignorant in the slightest.

Alcoholism is a very complex condition and you should be a lot more careful about how you address it. You are a extremely rude, aggressive and ignorant.

... and you are patronising and self-serving... why bring up your experience if not to give yourself a better standing in an argument I didn't start/want/ask you to join? I wasn't even debating anything with you and my 'semantic argument' was based around substance abuse, not alcoholism...

You said substance abuse was not an addiction. I pointed out that certainly, in Richie's case, scientific fact backs up that it is. I ask you again... how is that rude? Why should I take care? Please, enlighten me on how I've strayed and offended people? I am not the one writing off 20 years of study and medical findings and alienating millions of people who battle with this disease on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1119359)

No i said its not a disease and that's the whole point.

I mentioned my experience because in the process of trying to dismantle my argument you stated you had no experience of alcoholism at all. That's the sole reason I mentioned it. You are making it more relevant every time you respond.

I would agree, Phil X's Twitter has been a lot quieter today than usual. There's a 70 day gap to his next gig, so he would seem to be available, but if they would need him to Phil-in again, I would expect a few days for them to sort out the details and to give him a bit of practice time, certainly for the WAN songs.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

Within the first paragraph: Medically recognized as a disease.

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Originally Posted by Bleeding Purist (Post 1119364)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

Within the first paragraph: Medically recognized as a disease.

Not all medical professionals agree on that I can assure you.

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1119308)

They were the last 2 shows that I saw before flying to Europe and the first show I saw there with Richie again was Dusseldorf which was entirely forgettable.

Life will go on without Richie.

That's one sad thing to read. I for one love the whole band, not just JBJ.

Ugh, can you guys just stop fighting and vote in my thread and discuss on who wins in a fist fight - Jon or Richie?!

Haha. I'm going for Jon, Richie might not show :)