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MrNickel 05-23-2013 03:56 AM

Well if the shit hadn't hit the fan before it sure has now. I think this is probably the end of Richie for this tour anyway. This thing will only get fixed if Jon/Richie talk and that won't happen when Jon is on tour.

As long as it doesn't get any worse (we know it will) they might still be able to resolve this. But it doesn't look good.

ezearis 05-23-2013 03:57 AM

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MrNickel 05-23-2013 04:01 AM

I blame "What About Now", since then everything has went pear shaped. What a load a balls.

MrNickel 05-23-2013 04:04 AM

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Jayster 05-23-2013 04:06 AM

Feeling a little guilty that I quite like the thought of a new Richie album with songs about all of this.

Jayster 05-23-2013 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MrNickel (Post 1132465)
I blame "What About Now", since then everything has went pear shaped. What a load a balls.

Yup.

I think Jon rushed it out and he has already said he started the whole thing without the band.

Richie probably just rewrote some of the music of two or three songs after Jon and the outside writers had almost finished. He should have bailed BEFORE recording took place, but left it way too late I think.

Could be that the personal issues is just that he doesn't want to perform what he feels are other peoples songs night after night and he resents Jon squeezing him out of the creative process.

superkid 05-23-2013 04:17 AM

Interesting new piece of info here with the clothing line. As stated above this is looking less and less like a "personal" issue and more of an infighting issue, based on recent comments from Jon and Matt. If Richie and Jon are fighting, it wouldn't be because Richie cares about the clothing line and values it more than a tour. I'd be because he wants a break from music, which in this case would be understandable if they are fighting, and he'd probably go back to solo material or land a gig on the late late show eventually.

Call me delusional, but I still believe there is a small chance that Richie comes back mid tour and the fighting rumors turn out to be false and it's a family issue or whatever. If that isn't the case, the future of Bon Jovi doesn't look good, at least when it comes to filling stadiums.

Sissy3 05-23-2013 04:20 AM

I personally keep coming back to the fact that if Richie had bailed before the tour was underway, it might not have snowballed to the extent it has.
Fans would have been disappointed but at least they would have known the situation ahead of time. Jon might have even postponed the tour. But for this to happen once the tour has started, that's what's curious to me. :-?

TheseDaysEra 05-23-2013 04:23 AM

dunno if this has been posted before: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/usshowbiz...=feeds-newsxml

ouch.

AmyHarket 05-23-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1132455)
Please read the quotes people! If indeed these are Richie's words, he doesn't say he left the tour TO work on his fashion line. He says, "Jon needs to stop talking about me publicly. I am fine working very hard on my fashion company Nikki Rich and this is a private matter." The "this" is not necessarily the "working hard" on Nikki Rich. To me it sounds more like he’s working on NikkiRich while "this" has him off tour and that “this” is a dispute between him and Jon which Richie would like to keep between the two of them (i.e., a private matter).

I have believed from the beginning that they were at loggerheads and that Jon's comments had just enough truth in them to keep him from being caught in a lie and that Richie's silence was due to a gag order (Jovi confidentiality?) or advice from his attorneys.

I don't believe the reason he hasn't explained anything to the fans is out of any disrespect for them but because he couldn't say anything for legal/financial reasons (negotiations?) or out of respect for the band (meaning ALL the band and their history of keeping dirty laundry to themselves).

The article quoted him as saying that the fans aren't getting what they paid for and he feels bad for them. Isn't that what some of you have been waiting to hear? (Besides when he'll be coming back, of course. And maybe with the current situation, he doesn't KNOW when he'll be back.)

I personally think Jon has been goading him since April 2, beginning with the Calgary stage and the (deliberate, I believe) statement of Jon's, "I'm sorry he's not here for you" (IBTFY, anyone?) and that there was a veiled threat in his comment that, "Sambora's not going to be performing anywhere for a long time."

If emotions can be put aside for a moment, does it really make sense to anyone that someone who's been in the music business for over 30 years and has repeatedly stated how much he appreciates the fans, who's been committed to the same band his entire working career, who is clearly proud of most of the band's work would now suddenly throw a fit and negate all that, not to mention risking his future career (if people begin to see him as unreliable), demolish his fan base, lose upwards of 3 million dollars (if the 100K per show is anywhere in the ballpark), and possibly find himself in breach of contract?? Over a f**king WHIM???

I think Jon is deliberately trying to make it appear that Richie has succumbed to alcohol issues again and is unreliable with his constant reiteration that "we've been through this before" and "he's had issues [like this] before in 2011". And yes, I do think Jon's pissed. But I don't think it's because he's tired of answering the same questions and struggling along with a broken tour. I believe that, for whatever reason, he and Richie had it out and Richie walked - either b/c he couldn't take it anymore or Jon gave him an ultimatum. I don't believe that it was as unpredicted as Jon led the fans to believe - other than he may have thought Richie would cave and come back and the surprise was that he didn't. And THAT's why he didn't need Paul to tell him what the rest of the phone message was. He may have thought, even at that point, that once Richie saw "how well" they were getting along without him that he'd be back with his tail between his legs. But instead, Jon finds himself facing angry fans, demanding refunds and complaining (much to Jon's surprise, I'm sure) that Bon Jovi is NOT Bon Jovi without Richie Sambora even if the CEO is present and accounted for. On top of that his wallet is taking a hit as the tour limps on, giving away tickets almost as fast as they're giving back refunds and still having to pay all those employees to carry on with a tour that the band told him they weren't ready for to begin with.

And STILL Richie's not crawling back. That's gotta sting. And I would imagine that Jon is one person who really hates it when his plans don't work out the way he expects. So hell yeah, he's pissed, and it's beginning to show - not only in his obvious displeasure with the interview questions, but also in the way that he's going against his own confidentiality rules, getting quite close to revealing "secrets we take to the grave."

How about cutting Richie a little slack here? I know you're disappointed and you've lost money. I understand that as well as anyone. I went nearly $2000 in debt, lost a week's vacation, and spent HOURS on a train to go to NJ for the Philly and NYC solo shows only to learn within 2 hours of arriving that they would be the best two shows I never saw. (And before anyone goes off on the cancellations being caused by low ticket sales, I have no way of knowing how many tickets were or were not sold. But I do know that a friend of mine talked with Richie at the Q&A in NYC and she said he was "sick as a dog and croaked like a frog." She also said that his rep told the audience that Richie (who we know is a hugger) had requested "no hugs" because that's how he got sick to begin with and he didn't want to risk infecting anyone else or, I'm sure, risk further sickness himself. While I may not know about the ticket sales, I DO know that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for a lead singer to pull off 2-hr shows with laryngitis, no matter how dedicated he is to his craft or to his fans. Not to mention the possible permanent damage to his vocal chords that could result.)

I didn't mean to get sidetracked but I’ve had it with that argument unless someone here KNOWS beyond pissy speculation that low sales was the ONLY reason Richie cancelled those shows. What I had started to say is that I understand from personal experience how disappointed many of you are. But really, you've criticized the "fan-girls" on twitter for tweeting nothing but supportive comments and blindly following Richie into hell, as it were, but aren't you kind of doing the same thing just in the opposite direction? It appears as if many of you are allowing your disappointment and financial loss to cause you to just as 'blindly' find fault with a man you have apparently respected for years until some unfortunate circumstances messed up your own personal sandboxes.

Has Richie really been all that unreliable over the years or is this something that is being generalized due to the current atmosphere? I remember him missing shows due to rehab during the Circle tour and I vaguely remember him being sent home from tour (?) following the Unplugged fiasco. I also remember other rehab stints, but not any that conflicted with Jovi dates, all of which occurred in the wake of tremendous personal upheaval and losses that could defeat anyone. Simply choosing to perform for the entertainment of others doesn’t make someone immune to that sort of devastation or equip them any better to handle it. So can someone refresh my memory? Over the 30 years that the band has been together how many shows has Richie missed – on short notice or for no reason?

If he has been an unreliable prick all this time, why are you still following him? And if he hasn't been all that unreliable or acted like such a prick then why are you so willing to believe that he suddenly turned into a flake who doesn’t respect his fans, his band, or himself?

For my money, there simply has to be another answer. And some sort of dispute is the only thing that, for me, logically explains them not communicating except through press and tweets, Richie keeping silence while Jon is progressively more vocal, the fact that Richie seems to be happy and healthy and looks more on top of the alcohol than he's been for a long time, but due to some "private matter" is not touring with the band. So I think the "private matter" is between Jon and Richie and that Richie was willing and, in fact, doing his best to keep it that way until Jon got more and more aggressive in his comments.

Did he choose the best time to walk away or to prove a point, if that’s what it is? It wouldn’t appear so; but then we don't know what caused him to walk or what point he's trying to prove. It may be that it was the ONLY time to do it.
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The article quoted him as saying that the fans aren't getting what they paid for and he feels bad for them. Isn't that what some of you have been waiting to hear? (Besides when he'll be coming back, of course. And maybe with the current situation, he doesn't KNOW when he'll be back.)

No. He sounds shallow like same as "I love you fans" via twitter. I don't feel that he feels sorry for fans that seriously. I also think that he meant "my fans" as "Richie fans" only, not BON JOVI fans.
If this article is accurate, then it is a proof that he thinks his private matter is way more important than fans including "his fans". It also is a proof that he has no respect for the fans.
He's super-rich because he earned tons of money through BON JOVI fans.
He doesn't treat the fans right at all. Whatever reason he has with Jon, he should be sincerely appreciate the fans at least.
He's acting like a spoiled child.
If he cared for the fans much much more and respected us, then he wouldn't have decided to quit on a show day and in the middle of the tour.
Yes, he has money enough now and can pursue his another venture. There is no need for him to be afraid to try new things in terms of money.
But I don't want him quit the band this way.
I'm still dreaming a happy ending......................


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