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It's not Jon's job, so maybe if Shanks decided to use it for whatever reason, including him being the original creator and wanting to shout it from the rooftops, would it get past Jon's radar? I found it highly improbable, but Jon tends to forget almost every new song he writes... |
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The rationale is coming up more jon bad Richie good than anything else. Not even worth breaking down into how silly it is.
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Javier, you mistake me for someone else.
I'm really interested in what do you think about choosing that particular song in terms of Richie/John Shanks contribution to the band. Of all the songs they could have chosen. I merely pointed out that some fans could see a dig since it's my experience that many fans loved Richie's guitars in HAND and thought it was all him in the record, and always mention both things together (as in HAND was a great record thanks to Richie) and I questioned whether they thought it would be a good idea or simply didn't think about it. Edit: I do think it's not a coincidence, but as I said several times, it seems a Shanks choice. I asked specifically if Jon would have a say in something as specific as a guitar riff or would leave it to Shanks |
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Are we seriously going to keep coming up with "this is a dig at Richie" during this whole cycle? We did this with Burning Bridges. I'm certain Jon has moved on at this point and is focused on creating/launching new music as opposed to childish soap opera drama. |
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I completely agree with this. In the last albums, Jon has always recycled things of the past. "Whats Left Of Me" sounds "Someday I'll Be Saturday Night" and "Lost Highway". I remember the scandalous introduction of "Working Man", that was a rip off of "Living On A Prayer". In "This House Is Not For Sale" make that mistake again. Jon know that not there is "the song or riff by Richie", everything belongs to the band. I have noticed that many other bands make the same mistakes recycling their past songs; U2, Metallica and even lately Foo Fighters, bands that I love by the way. What did Richie in "Have a Nice Day", they can not overcome today. To overcome this, they needs have balls for rocking. |
Its not the same riff, come on people!!!
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I find very interesting your thoughts about the "re-use" of HAND intro and maybe plausible. But I think the truth can be a lot simpler: The HAND as a song was a hit and the formula they used, which is similar to IML's formula, is very catchy and successful. You know, the guitar chords intro, the high melody and backing vocals on chorus, the solo, the bridge-intro-guitar-again and the chorus for one last time!
So they reused this formula, as they sometimes do with "their" formulas (example: IML -> Bounce -> HAND -> This is Love This is Life -> WDR). I strongly believe that they made the riff too similar to HAND's in order to make it sound more "Bon Jovi", and HAND is like a trademark for them (but not the only). For the question "can they use a riff that maybe is written by Sambora?" I guess yes, they do. They didn't ask Richie of course, and I don't think he has a problem with that, HAND is a released Bon Jovi (the band) song. One other reason that I think Jon and the guys used the HAND intro Not to mock Sambora is that they have some class, they aren't children! I just can't see JBJ and Shanks rubbing their HANDs (see what I did here? :P ) saying "hehe and now we will show Richie that we don't need him"... not literally doing this but something like this and less dramatized.... |
Both have a capo on the second fret. If I recall, This House is Em/G, G, Cadd9, G with the root note descending in between each go around. HAND is Bm, D, G, D, A. They're similar, I admit that. HAND had an acoustic and a baritone below, House is more raw in production of the main chord progression (thankfully). Had it not been arranged the same way HAND was (guitar alone in the intro and after the solo) I guarantee we would not be talking about this because it's a different chord progression.
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