Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1149554)

A lot of people are presenting theories as fact now. I don't see you complaining when theories about Richie are presented as fact. If you assume one gossip story was fed by real sources, then you have to assume the same in the other case. We don't know for sure in either case. Some are just willing to give Jon the benefit of the doubt, but won't give Richie the same.

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1149554)

A lot of people are presenting theories as fact now. I don't see you complaining when theories about Richie are presented as fact. If you assume one gossip story was fed by real sources, then you have to assume the same in the other case. We don't know for sure in either case. Some are just willing to give Jon the benefit of the doubt, but won't give Richie the same.

Originally Posted by Jule225 (Post 1149556)

I'm simply asking for you to show me a source, so I can evaluate your claim for myself.

You can't?

Fine.

I don't believe you.

Further, I don't see any reason why I, or anyone else, should take another word you say as anything but a product of your imagination.

If you can't back up what you say, your words are absolutely worthless.

Also, where exactly did you get the idea that I'm giving Jon the benefit of the doubt, or for that matter, that I'm not giving it to Richie? I called you on a lie. I didn't say a word about Jon or Richie.

I haven't seen anyone (recently) posting such a blatant lie about Richie as you just did about Jon. Theorizing, yes. Discussing possibilities and stating opinions, yes. But presenting a lie as the truth? I haven't seen it. If you want to point me in the direction of a (recent) post that does that, be my guest. I'll quote my own post in response to it.

Originally Posted by Sissy3 (Post 1149558)

I have no problem with fans supporting Richie but what makes me roll my eyes at the over the top, fawning fans is, if Richie announced he was starting a new solo tour, how many of them would even buy a ticket? They support him on Twitter and that's about it for most of them.

Originally Posted by Lisa71 (Post 1149559)

What stories are you talking about regarding Jon? What did he leak?

Originally Posted by Sissy3 (Post 1149558)

I have no problem with fans supporting Richie but what makes me roll my eyes at the over the top, fawning fans is, if Richie announced he was starting a new solo tour, how many of them would even buy a ticket? They support him on Twitter and that's about it for most of them.

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1149563)

I'm talking about the very first tabloid stories that came out in April that claimed to be from sources close to Jon. All of them are at the beginning of this thread somewhere.

Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1149565)

And what did these articles claim exactly? 'Cause I can't remember any. In April, gossip sites were running with the story that Jon and Richie fought over money and Jon was the bad guy who made Richie run away. If there were "sources", they were claimed to be Richie's. There just hasn't been ANY story from Jon's supposed "sources", that's the point people are trying to make here. All of the stuff we have from Jon was direct quotes, true or false, but that's what we have. The whole gossip machine here was fueled by one side only and that's simply a fact. And Sean "gossip expert" Borg is best buddies with Richie and his articles feature links to RumorFix ones. I'm sorry, but this is the truth, I don't like it either, I hate it, but I won't eat shit pretending it's chocolate.