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Old Joysey 08-17-2016 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1204883)
Phil in NOT a KOS!!! Phil has played with the KOS, but he has his own band... The KOS is Bobby's band and you could see ALL those members playing with Bobby all over NJ... And Phil is not with them..

Wrong. KOS is JON's band (assembled by Bobby B.) for his solo and charity gigs. Phil played at several Jon and the KOS concerts hence he IS a KOS. Whoever backs up Jon at those gigs is a KOS. Plain and simple.
http://www.blameitonthelove.com/2013...atoga-set.html


Bobby's band is Bobby's band, called "The Bobby Bandiera Band", "Bobby Bandiera and Friends" or "The Bobby Bandiera's Jersey Shore Rock'n'Soul Revue" and the line-up is slightly different from one show to another. It's been this way for over 30 years.

https://www.facebook.com/BobbyBandiera/

http://www.newjerseystage.com/articl...le.php?ID=3735

http://tablet.olivesoftware.com/Oliv...F14&id=Ar03503


That's right, PhilX too has his own band: The Drills.

Rdkopper 08-17-2016 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1204889)
Wrong. KOS is JON's band (assembled by Bobby B.) for his solo and charity gigs. Phil played at several Jon and the KOS concerts hence he IS a KOS. Whoever backs up Jon at those gigs is a KOS. Plain and simple.
http://www.blameitonthelove.com/2013...atoga-set.html


Bobby's band is Bobby's band, called "The Bobby Bandiera Band", "Bobby Bandiera and Friends" or "The Bobby Bandiera's Jersey Shore Rock'n'Soul Revue" and the line-up is slightly different from one show to another. It's been this way for over 30 years.

https://www.facebook.com/BobbyBandiera/

http://www.newjerseystage.com/articl...le.php?ID=3735

http://tablet.olivesoftware.com/Oliv...F14&id=Ar03503


That's right, PhilX too has his own band: The Drills.

Exactly!!! You just summed it up!!! It's Jon's band assembled by Bobby. And of course Bobby doesn't play solo under that name! Jon leaves it up to Bobby to assemble the KOS and Bobby is not assembling Phil... Jon will ask Phil to join the band at larger events where more electric Bon Jovi songs are being played but he is by no means a member of KOS... His performances with that band have been VERY LIMITED compared to how long and how many shows they've played to date. I'm sure if Bobby was asked who the lead guitar player was, his answer wouldn't be Phil X.

So stop trying to confuse people with the garbage that makes sense in your head....

Old Joysey 08-17-2016 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1204887)
I agree. Everyone is assuming he wrote the guitar parts for the songs he does play on. I am not so sure.

What do you mean the solo lacks fluidity and dexterity?

Everyone? No, not me! I'm convinced he wrote nothing, he just played what Jon, John, Falcon or so-and-so had written before he was asked to come to the recording studio.

Lack of fluidity and dexterity means that the arpeggio sounds like it was recorded note by note then all the notes were digitally glued together or maybe Shanks recorded it in one take but it sounds like a warm-up exercice when you play one note after another very distinctly.
Describing a sound with words is very hard! Maybe you should look for "guitar dexterity" videos on YT, it should be clearer.


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Originally Posted by Manbou (Post 1204888)
Right, Phil has a reputation as being a studio musician, a very good one though. But he is also very capable of creating his own songs, parts and stuff. So it would be quite sensible for Jon to let him have a bit of artistic freedom and give his music a fresh touch, otherwise he could just let Shanks play all the parts (like on BB). Maybe that's just wishful thinking, but I very much hope that Phil got to create his parts himself, at least to some extent.

A very good studio musician is a musician who doesn't put his personal touch into his playing when he's hired to play somebody else's music. It's the true definition of the job.

Methinks it's the reason why Jon hired him, and not because Phil can write his own songs. That's why I'm pretty sure we won't be able to identify him as opposed to Shanks on the album. But I'd love to be wrong.

Old Joysey 08-17-2016 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1204890)
So stop trying to confuse people with the garbage that makes sense in your head....

The same to you! :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1204883)
The KOS is Bobby's band

No. YOU are the only one in the world to say/think so and you're wrong. Bobby assembled a band because Jon, his employer, asked him to and Jon, not Bobby, called the band the KOS. That's why it's JON'S BAND, not Bobby's.

Rdkopper 08-17-2016 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1204892)
No. YOU are the only one in the world to say/think so and you're wrong. Bobby assembled a band because Jon, his employer, asked him to and Jon, not Bobby, called the band the KOS. That's why it's JON'S BAND, not Bobby's.

No Shit!!! We are past all that... We are talking about Phil X being a member of the KOS and I corrected you by stating that he's not a member, he has just played with them a few times on what, 3 separate occasions...(I don't consider that time when Jon mixed the band and the KOS together one of them)...

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Old Joysey 08-17-2016 03:36 AM

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Kathleen 08-17-2016 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1204894)

It's ridiculous, which is why I don't post here much anymore.

DestinationJovi 08-17-2016 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Manbou (Post 1204888)
So it would be quite sensible for Jon to let him have a bit of artistic freedom and give his music a fresh touch, otherwise he could just let Shanks play all the parts (like on BB).

Well if Jon had let Richie have a bit of artistic freedom this conversation would probably not be taking place.

Rdkopper 08-17-2016 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1204895)
It's ridiculous, which is why I don't post here much anymore.

No value lost

Rdkopper 08-17-2016 05:26 AM

Something is going on between Jon and Richie which is much bigger than I think we understand.

Jon has one of the best guitar players in his band yet he's keep him caged for the past few albums. It just doesn't add up... I really think it's Jon's ego. Richie just wants to rock in a rock band and Jon wants to go in every direction.

With Jon's vocal condition the way it is, they should rely on the music. Pink Flamingos is the best opener to an album and it's played before Jon utters a word. Just saying...


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