Bon Jovi at Live in MetLife Stadium back in '13 is actually quite good !
 

So I took the time to watch a few songs of BJ's last tour with Phil X, for the first time ever. Turns out THIS ONE is actually quite good, to my surprise. His voice was top notch that night.

I agree, it was a great show! But a few people have pointed out the difference in a few of the songs from the broadcast to the actual live show and it seems it was tampered with a bit to fix some of the botched notes. Still, great show and it is a common practice, I don't believe it was much, it is however very noticeable on These Days if you compare it to any audience recording from that night....

The show was awesome - the first night. I think what soured some of us long time fans was the setlist on night 2 being identical except for 1 song (substituting Dry County for These Days). That really put me off for sure. And ending night 2 with I Love This Town - UGH.

I am no vocal expert but I just don't like the way he sounded after Richie left...his voice thinned out alot and sounded very strange untill the end of the tour.

Aloha !

His voice was shit, and really every bum note's been lifted to the right key. Prayer, Have A Nice Day, Born To Be My Baby... all songs have been doctored. Really, he hasn't been capable of singing These Days like this for years, and suddenly he's in key at every time he's usually failing?

Those two shows in 2013 are, apart from night 4 in 2010, not a patch on what was played in 2010 there. If I'd have gone to these shows chances are I'd have walked out halfway through as opposed to walking out during the encore. Really the entire thing was on autopilot, and unlike Milan there was no encore that woke him up.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

It's like his voice was raised a semitone during the ENTIRE concert.

Always (actual)

Falling flat on the "WILL LAAAVE YUUUU" and "forever and a day" parts in the actual one compared to implausibly hitting them in the live stream is egregious.

3:48-3:52 - And IIIIIIIII...WILL LAAVE YOU...
(livestream) - And IIIIIIIIII...WILLAAVEYUUU... (a lot smoother)

Also the stars don't shine part (4:15). The word "stars" is raised quite a bit in the actual audio but the livestream doesn't pick it up and shows it as flat (I'LL BE THERE WHINDASTARSDON'T SHAAAYYNNN!).

I guess you're right. In fact, it's fairly easy to do it in post production. Could have been Auto-Tune, could have been Melodyne.

It wasn't too bad being there in person.

I mean if the audio was throw on a CD and sold, then it's painful but to be there live, a lot gets drowned out by distractions. Don't get me wrong, you do notice things here and there but as long as Jon could pull off something decent, I'm okay with that.

If I had a choice of one, I'd rather see Jon get off auto-pilot first and actually have fun on stage. I miss those energetic type of shows that Jon used to put out.

Does anyone have a camera recording of These Days to compare with this? It does sound dubious. I'd go as far as saying that he could only sing it this well in 2008

These Days MetLife 2013 (audience recording):


While Jon sounded decent in the recording, his voice in the live stream is too high (2008-10 level) . With that level, he should be moving around the stage instead of just standing in front of the mic stand.

just compared the two versions of Always. Man, did they REALLY think no one would notice ? shame on you Jon. I've been saying this for a long time: he should consider playing another half step down, at least on certain songs. I don't wanna go into that old discussion again but you can't really fight age, it doesn't matter if you're to blame for all the things you've done in the past that have harmed your voice - it is what it is and you might as well find ways around it, not cover it up.

Wow, definitely doctored. His voice is shite in the audience recording but suddenly tone perfect in the officially released one. I feel actually that my intelligence has been insulted by this. Not that I have a lot to begin with - but why's he trying to blag it?

Aloha !

Well, for one, you didn't seem to notice when listening to the show, saying his vocals were top notch...

And many people have pointed out over and over again that you can't just keep going steps down time after time. Put a song in another key and it sounds different, with In These Arms being a good example of it. And that's one of the songs that isn't build around a riff or lick.

Tuning a song down for Jon won't help much anyway, he suffers with any note nowadays. It's not just the higher notes, it's pretty much every note. His voice is shot.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Forgive my lack of musical knowledge but I'm sure someone previously had posted snippets of studio songs that had been downtuned half a step/a key whatever, and they sounded slower and quite similar to the live versions, looking like they record that way and then bump it back up in the studio?

Would anyone be able to post some the songs down another step in this case to hear how bad this would sound like? Is that possible?

Aloha !

Yeah, that was me. I can post you examples, but it's not the same, really. For example, if you tune a song in the key of C it'd go to a B. However, a B chord doesn't sound the same as a C chord tuned half a step down.

Therefore, tuning a song a full step down won't give the same effect as actually tuning instruments a full step down. Chords have a certain feel, warmth or cold feeling over them. Playing on a guitar tuned a full step down can be done, but for me personally, it gets borderline unplayable if you want to play songs like These Days and just strum away. Guitar strings give a certain sound under a certain tension. Tuning down means loosening up the tension. If you don't have enough tension, you can't play. So instead of just tuning down, you change the chords and start, in case of These Days, in Bb as opposed to C. These Days usually goes C-D-Em, meaning this would become Bb-C-Dm. It's a different world.

Songs build around a riff however like Bad Medicine, Born To Be My Baby, Bad Name, have riffs played in certain positions of the neck. Bad Name, for example, has a riff or lick played on the 1st and 3rd fret of the neck. Considering how you're not tuning down a full step, you just go down a full step. But going from the first fret a full step down would mean -0, which doesn't exist. You'd have to completely redo a riff on different strings, which makes the riff and lick lose it's touch.

A good example of this is In These Arms. The original version is in E. It sounds heavy, because overall, an E chord is the lowest sounding chord on a guitar. They play it in D nowadays, meaning a full step down. However, a D chord sounds higher, meaning poppier (For the lack of a better word) and not as heavy, hence In These Arms no longer sounding like the rocker it used to be.

I apologize if this isn't very clear, I rarely explain anything guitar related in English so maybe if things aren't clear Iceman could help you out. :)

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Sounds fair enough albeit way over my head! One day I'll have the time to dig my guitar out and start learning so I know what the hell is going on!

Concerning the language I understood what you're saying, so that shouldn't be the problem.
Concerning the content...well, I'm a guitarist, so I already knew what you meant before you wrote it down ;)
And by the way: I agree with you!

great song, love jovi.
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