[bonjovi_cro]

I'll post this here, perhaps it's appropriate. Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam talks about how producer pushed them in studio for their newest album. I think it transpires well my thoughts of why Jovi, having an insider/pal producer, cannot even in theory be pushed the same. And we are talking about Pearl Jam, one of rare equally large and iconic bands who can pay and hire whoever they want.


“He’d start to piss me off a little bit.” EDDIE VEDDER talks working with producer ANDREW WATT on their album “Dark Matter,” and the process behind writing PEARL JAM’s new song “Wreckage.”

“I can’t remember a thing. I really don’t,” Vedder said in a recent interview on Apple Music 1 with Zane Lowe when Lowe asked him what was going on the day he wrote “Wreckage.” Vedder then continued, recalling how Watt pushed him and the band and that he just wanted to get the song done:
“A lot of it I think was written on the mic. I think probably that one was a lot of just... And Andrew would, to be honest, he'd start to piss me off a little bit and then I'd try to do something really good just to say like, ‘**** you. Back off.’ Seriously. I would be like...

There was one day I said, ‘Look, I need tonight off, or I need to sleep or I need to do something, but you have... Work with Mike [McCready] on this. Just, I'm trying to buy myself frigging eight hours or 10 hours of not... I just need to clear.’ Because we're already 15 days in a row of just, go, go, go. He said, ‘I get it. I totally get it. Little dude, I'm with you. I will stay an extra three weeks, whatever it takes, I will do this, I will do this.’ I said, ‘Okay good, because come on it's going good, but something's going to break here.’

“He said, ‘So how about this? You go home at 10:00, but before you go, if you get the bridge on the Stone [Gossard] thing and then the outro on the other... Oh, and then if we can just do... And stay with us here, we're going to record that other thing..’ So then that was one of those things I was like, ‘All right, give me 10 minutes.’ I went in and f*ckin’ wrote and sang it and I just wanted to get the f*ck out... I just needed eight hours to myself.

“And let me clarify so I don't have to call him and apologies, let me clarify that… that was part of being pushed and we should be pushed. And maybe when you're starting to feel a little shaky and vulnerable or whatever, that could be the opening to access some of the deeper shit that might be normally closed down. It's not like you have just a zipper. It's like you get into these layers and maybe being on edge might be, I think ended up being helpful. And so I appreciate the fact.

I mean, look, the whole band we started this group as kind of, where we all picked up instruments, because in some ways it was a f*ck you to authority or parents who wanted you to have a real job or whatever. I think that's always been in us. So to have Andrew gave us a fire, it wasn't we were fighting with him, but it was good to be pushed. And I don't think some of it would've happened quite the way it did if we hadn't been.”

[bonjovi_cro]

Did any of you catch that recent interview by Jon, where he says he had "hundreds of girls" cause he ain't no saint, after all, he is "Jon Bon Jovi", a rockstar?

It got on my facebook feed, I lost it then.
But it's already been news here, and reception is bad.
I don't get why he needs to stroke his ego this way now in public, after all positive PR about long term marriage, etc.

[Roll]

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

Did any of you catch that recent interview by Jon, where he says he had "hundreds of girls" cause he ain't no saint, after all, he is "Jon Bon Jovi", a rockstar?

It got on my facebook feed, I lost it then.
But it's already been news here, and reception is bad.
I don't get why he needs to stroke his ego this way now in public, after all positive PR about long term marriage, etc.

When JBJ plays the poster boy for long-term marriage with teenage girlfriend he's a ****ing hypocrite for we all know he cheated so many times on Dorothea, when he tells the truth about him stepping out of marriage he shouldn't do it either. This guy can never get it right here lol.

[bonjovi_cro]

Originally Posted by Roll

When JBJ plays the poster boy for long-term marriage with teenage girlfriend he's a ****ing hypocrite for we all know he cheated so many times on Dorothea, when he tells the truth about him stepping out of marriage he shouldn't do it either. This guy can never get it right here lol.

It's not that he shouldn't, but it's completely out of character for him. He used to get his adulation through No.1 albums and tours, guess he has need to replace it somehow, but this way is really shallow.

Everybody knows he's a rockstar, no need to downgrade himself like that, and this if catches headlines, very much can bring him trouble home.

What's next, interview saying ofc he f*cked LeAnn Rimes?
I'm just commenting, it's out of character for a man so worried about his "legacy"

[B.J. Always]

I think this must be a slow news time in the US. Jon has said for years that he was "no saint" and his wife said she just wanted him to come home. So he wasn't a saint, but he did come home to her so I think that should be the end of the story.

[bonjovi_cro]

Found it, if somebody didn't see this segment

https://nypost.com/video/jon-bon-jov...ock-star-days/


I don't really care either way, I just very much disliked that line: "I'm Jon Bon Jovi" and that facial expression, so cheap for 3 seconds ego elevation. It's always understood, you just smile and say "go figure" or something

[PanosBonJovi]

Originally Posted by B.J. Always

I think this must be a slow news time in the US. Jon has said for years that he was "no saint" and his wife said she just wanted him to come home. So he wasn't a saint, but he did come home to her so I think that should be the end of the story.

That would be a gold digger mentality lmao

Ofc that part could be referring to before getting married or having a family.

[semigoodlooking]

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

It's not that he shouldn't, but it's completely out of character for him. He used to get his adulation through No.1 albums and tours, guess he has need to replace it somehow, but this way is really shallow.

Everybody knows he's a rockstar, no need to downgrade himself like that, and this if catches headlines, very much can bring him trouble home.

What's next, interview saying ofc he f*cked LeAnn Rimes?
I'm just commenting, it's out of character for a man so worried about his "legacy"

Disappointment in Jon's behavior comes with the presumption that Dorothea has been a saint.

[bonjovi_cro]

Originally Posted by semigoodlooking

Disappointment in Jon's behavior comes with the presumption that Dorothea has been a saint.

True, for one who would be disappointed in his behaviour.

Me personally, I don't really care. Even more, without his infidelity we don't get Bed of Roses directly, etc. etc., I'm not for moral judgements.

But I am interested in his persona, character, his own rationalizations. I learned about business and music industry much just by observing his moves and behaviour.

I do think he grew too calculated, too cynical, everything with a cunning plan, nothing sincere, it was like this for 20 years. I mean, he's talking about "joy" even pre-2022 tour. And "joy" is the selling point for Forever again.

That's why I'm still undecided is he really changed, or is it again new bullshit selling. Perhaps a little changed? I liked him much in recent promo and in documentary. Fragile finally. I don't mind that he uses this fragility for promotion of the band and himself, but I do mind when he goes to cheap ego satisfaction like in that video clip. He's too good for that I would think.

Remember that rumour about Sebastian Bach and Axl Rose bashing on Jon in restaurant, and he sees them, buys them bottles of wine, they hang out, everything's good then. As I remember it (it doesn't even matter if it's true), but the impression was that he "won".

He could've gone to PR war with them, bragging how he is more successfull, No. 1 tours and albums, and where is Skid Row, etc. etc. But the PR bit was probably very calculated and very smart. This with "100 girls! I am Jon Bon Jovi, rockstar!" is not.

[blazeofglory]

Originally Posted by bonjovi_cro

That's why I'm still undecided is he really changed, or is it again new bullshit selling. Perhaps a little changed? I liked him much in recent promo and in documentary. Fragile finally.

One thing you can certainly tell is that Jon has been in therapy. The way he has been talking and portraying himself in interviews recently and even when he appeared on a couple of podcasts during the lockdowns practically oozes that. The way he talks about mental health and self-care often sounds like he’s pretty much repeating things his therapist probably taught him. He shows more vulnerability and he also seems lighter and more jocular again these days.

His vocal issues clearly had a huge impact on his mental health - at first he was in denial about how bad they even were, and when he finally couldn’t lie to himself anymore he tried everything he could to push past them as we saw in the documentary, but it still wasn’t enough and he wasn’t in control of what was happening. For a guy like Jon who clearly always needs to be in control of the important stuff in his life, it was probably very hard to deal with the fact that he wasn’t in control of the one thing that could make or break his entire career and life’s work anymore.

So I think the way he is treating his vocal issues now and using them for PR might be his way of getting his power back and taking control of his own narrative again. Is it calculated in a way? Probably, yeah, but I don’t think the cold hard business side of things is the driving factor there, but rather his own personal way of (mentally) healing and coming to terms with the situation while being in the public eye.


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