New Studio Album - Forever

If one of major reasons Richie left was for Shanks being more involved with not only production, but also the recording process, there's no way he'd be back as things are now.

And I feel very pissed that the guy that should be recording guitars nowadays is Phil, but it doesn't seems to be like that.

Well it's still possible even if that is one of the reasons. Perspectives do change. Sambora in 2013 does not have equal stock or chips as in 2024. He basically wasted a decade away. Jovi is still iconic arena rock band.

I don't think Richie left BJ because of Shanks...

Between all the various hypothesis is not one of the most probable in my opinion.


Hearing the Jon's recently words almost seems that Richie was unable to come back to work at the Lubbock concert due to alchol or others subtances (Jon didn't directly said that, but Jon's words at least to me let think to that.

"Then someone says that was Richie's decision leave the band, others say that wasn't his decision."


We should be at least friend of someone in BJ camp to know all the truth...


Another my thought is that the ones that are more sad for Richie's leaving are probably us, not Richie.

Yeah, I said that, because it's what the media is saying these last days "among all reasons, the point of no return to Richie was when he knew that Shanks recorded the acoustic guitar in The Fighter". Don't know why that happened, but man, this was strange to read

I think Richie knew by then it was over, he was just working out when he was going to leave. Something happened that night that made it impossible for him to go back to work. I don't buy that it was alcohol. Richie was on a flight back with Ava the day before, he (or she) posted it. Nothing around that time suggested that Richie was having alcohol or substance issues at that time. It was all too sudden. I don't think we will ever know the full story (even after the documentary)..

While I agree with you, it takes 10 seconds to fall off the wagon and it doesn't matter if you are with your wife/husband, parents, or children. But I get what you are saying. To me something was already well under way in straining the relationship and Richie just couldn't bear going back.

Perhaps he thought he could get some time, for whatever reason he needed it, and Jon blocked him coming back.

"Life was one long after party
My welcome was too long of a stay
The guitar sings the same old story
But they leave it out, how the bills is getting paid

You give yourself ten second chances
I ain't quitting, I'm just splittin for a while
Ended like so many bad romances
One more victory lap before you say goodbye"

It's so hard not to put on a tin foil hat and dissect what this means if not in the context of the band, recorded months before the WAN tour. It just screams that something was brewing.

That thought had been on his head for longer, one just had to listen to You Can Only Get So High: "One more victory lap before you say goodbye..."

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God I probably almost beat you to this by 30 seconds haha.

I think the doc will reveal some stuff. We haven't learned anything new in seven or eight years. It's just been us taking the little info we have and blowing it up and shrinking it down and hypothesizing possibilities. I think we're actually going to get new info. Hell we alread have.

We will get new info no doubt, but I'm still not convinced we are getting ALL the info. The band has been too guarded for too long. I just don't see them opening the flood gates, but I hope I'm wrong...