New Studio Album - Forever

My point is you're debating people about something you never saw and an audio clip you didn't listen to. You've made up your mind already and that's totally fine but....you can't genuinely expect people to debate this stuff with you. The entire orginziation is forever soured and you want nothing do with whatever happens next, but at least admit that.

This is one ****ing miserable fanbase for the most part.

You all can take anything and turn it on it's head and put a negative spin on it.

I want Richie back in the band as much as anyone, but the sheer heroes/vilians talk that takes over every single thread is absolutely exhausting.

Sent from my SM-S926U using Tapatalk

my original statement had nothing to do with the documentary, you said my take was insane because of a clip in the documentary.
I asked you a question about the documentary to clarify when all this vocal issue footage was shot, you didn't clarify for me.
I asked if you thought jon and the people around him didn't know his voice was shot back in 2020 and was trying to get by as is until the backlash hit you didn't answer.

You made it sound to me because of this clip in the documentary jon all of sudden will only release a song or album if he sounds good. If he sounds good on Forever then I apologize in advance.

Huh? I think it's been a pretty fair discussion for the most part!?

richie? I was talking about how jon can't sing anymore even though he said he still can in a recent interview.

Fair assessment. My point is, there is stuff in the doc that negates a lot of what I previously thought. It doesn't mention how bad/if the band knew prior to the 2022 tour but based on how everyone acted during rehearsals, it looked pretty common knowledge.

While I think one of the doc's purpose is to show that he knows his voice is on the outs and his struggles and journey to fix it, it also started filming prior to the disaster that was the 2022 tour so I don't know if it was always the plan or the emphasis on it switched but there's a really emotional scene where he's recording I Wrote You A Song and couldn't make his voice work and needed to scrap it until he could. It just all showed he cares about that stuff and isn't rushing through album recordings to get products out.

Is it always like that? Probably not. But dude is trying and that's all I ask for.

Yes, everything either comes down to how it's someone's fault that Richie isn't in the band anymore. "I'm mad at Jon, I'm mad at Shanks, every new song sucks, his voice is terrible" etc.

Over and over and over again.

It makes total sense to be disappointed, but Christ. Every single time there's a new ANYTHING, it's "Jon's voice is robotic, Jon can't sing, why don't they write a rock song again? Why don't they write a ballad like Always again?"

The negativity starts before a single note is heard of the new album because a vast majority of people here have unrealistic expectations that they have held onto since 1995.

It just gets really old. I'm venting because I was told that's what a message board is for.

Let's try to set a few ground rules.

1. These days, a Bon Jovi ballad will be in the vein of Story of Love /She's A Mystery etc for two reasons. That's the song Jon wants to write and release and that is also the only kind of ballad he can sing at this point.

2. They will never, ever, write a rock song again that will please or appeal to a majority of their 80's fans. At 62, Jon considers songs like Beautiful Drug and Living Proof etc rock songs. That's what you will get because of two reasons. He has no desire to write a "hard" rock song again and even if he did, he couldn't sing it well anyway.

Sent from my SM-S926U using Tapatalk

I Wrote You A Song, I will make special note to pay attention to that vocal in particular on Forever.

I'm not mad at anyone. jon's voice is shot, Bon Jovi is a rock band so use a guitar every now and then. I think people have heard a snippet of Kiss The Bride for the first time and most seem to think the vocal was awful. I would be happy with 2009 vocals from jon doesn't need to be 1995. I was just confused when you said richie because I hadn't seen his name mentioned in this thread for awhie.

This is fair, but it's not his job to say "this take is final one, I like it", but producer's job. We are not talking here about going for high notes such in Always outro or whatever, so if he can't do it he just can't.

Though hitting the notes is the least of problems nowadays in studio, pitch is very easy to adjust and to still sound very natural. Tone is the problem and I have a problem with his tone on random songs on 2020 for example.

It would be much easier if his tone was always same, but on some songs he goes very anti-nasal, dry, serious, spoken, whatever, but good. And on some, tone is really bad and then Shanks instead of getting another take, drowns that chosen take in reverb. Most obvious case in point now this snippet of Kiss the Bride, and before choruses of We don't run and Labor of Love.

Also, this is not to say it's the first or second take and Jon is just lazy or doesn't care. After documentary, at least this is evident as contrary to reality. But regardless, it can be 102nd take, it's not his job to pick and choose, but producers. And being the BFF, it's taking objectivity out. If Jon says yeah I really like this take, let's do it with this, ofc Shanks will nod his head. Also it's possible that he lacks judgement (or differs very much from mine), but I won't go again there