[faith1985]

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

PEOPLE!! C'mon... Give a girl a break. She has an opinion and she stated it, along with her reasons for said opinion. She wasn't abusive. She didn't derail an existing thread to do so. She even started a new thread in the General BJ Discussion Forum (which exists, if I can still read and comprehend correctly, to allow for comments about "everything related to Bon Jovi (the band or individual members') activities ..."). She clearly titled the thread in such a way as to give fair warning about the content of her post.

I don't understand the problem. If you don't want to read what she has to say, then don't read it! It's not rocket science. Jeez!!

It seems to me that Jon's use of the words "integrity" and "character" to describe the upcoming album may have set her off and, while there are obviously some who only care about work product and couldn't care less if the artists they listen to aren't what they seem, that can be important to others. It's an opinion, FFS!

(And this is mine, so deal with it!)

BTW, faith1985, I mean no disrespect by using third person as if you're not in the room. But I was talking about you, not to you.

Carry on...

I think you are one of the only ones who got why I am pissed

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by faith1985

I think you are one of the only ones who got why I am pissed

Sure, I did. I'm pretty sure some of the others did, too.

While I can't say that I necessarily agree with everything you said, I can understand why you feel the way you do. Authenticity is important to me, too. But that's beside the point.

"I may not agree with everything you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." (often incorrectly attributed to Voltaire)

[Captain_jovi]

I agree, people should lay off her. It's her opinion, it's her thread, no need to disrespect her if you don't agree.

[faith1985]

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

Sure, I did. I'm pretty sure some of the others did, too.

While I can't say that I necessarily agree with everything you said, I can understand why you feel the way you do. Authenticity is important to me, too. But that's beside the point.

"I may not agree with everything you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." (Voltaire)

Yep! I agree with you. I do not need everybody to agree with me or even understand. There are certain things I left out here because they would go to far. But expected worse replies to my thread, tbh.

[liljovi93]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

I agree, people should lay off her. It's her opinion, it's her thread, no need to disrespect her if you don't agree.

Who has disrespected her?! Nobody has. We've said the post is stupid. That's our opinion. So what is the difference?

Her reply to me clarified things up a little bit more because it actually mentioned her thoughts on the music and not about Jon's bloody restaurant.

Have a day off.

[united17]

Sorry to hear about the experiences you had and can't blame you for coming to such a conclusion. All that matters is that you're at peace with yourself.

[SadieLady]

I am not done but my interest is low. I did buy BB but have yet to play it or even unwrap it even though I've heard good things about it. I don't think that Jon pretends integrity--I think Jon IS living a real life but fans don't want to admit that it is made up of mansions and moguls which is not the stuff great songs are made of.

To me Jon and Bon Jovi are ice cold with the media. The Circle tour was the last tour that had some media interest with television and print clips and interviews (clips that weren't just ads for a concert) but he has been absent from significant magazines for a long time. The last tour had media interest mostly due to the absence of Richie. With Jon being uncommunicative with his fan base via social media (with the exception of birthday announcements or to sell swag) I don't feel any bond with the band as a fan.

I am curious how the Bon Jovi machine will promote the upcoming music and tour. Jon obviously has no interest in returning to a rock star image--gone are the days of shaggy golden locks, shirts open to the navel and running all over the stage. Actually, I would be fine with that except he can no longer sing the majority of his songs which makes for an over produced show. This has always been an arena band but is there enough interest to fill an arena these days?

Having said all this, most of us still hold out hope that with the new people brought in and with a new record company, maybe the next release will be all that Jon says it will be.

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by liljovi93

Who has disrespected her?! Nobody has. We've said the post is stupid. That's our opinion. So what is the difference?

Her reply to me clarified things up a little bit more because it actually mentioned her thoughts on the music and not about Jon's bloody restaurant.

Have a day off.

"This is such a stupid post"

"it's got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this forum."

"It's quite pathetic that some people are like this"

Come on man, that's just over the top attacking someone over something you don't like. Thinking the post is stupid is a completely valid opinion, I'm not saying you and the rest are in the wrong for thinking it. I don't even agree with her points, but have a little bit of tact before using words like pathetic and stupid.

I personally think it was over the line. That's my opinion. I'm looking out for people so they don't get chased away for having a thought that doesn't match others. If I'm looking at it wrong or giving too much thought to how she was talked to then it is what it is.

[faith1985]

Originally Posted by SadieLady

I am not done but my interest is low. I did buy BB but have yet to play it or even unwrap it even though I've heard good things about it. I don't think that Jon pretends integrity--I think Jon IS living a real life but fans don't want to admit that it is made up of mansions and moguls which is not the stuff great songs are made of.

To me Jon and Bon Jovi are ice cold with the media. The Circle tour was the last tour that had some media interest with television and print clips and interviews (clips that weren't just ads for a concert) but he has been absent from significant magazines for a long time. The last tour had media interest mostly due to the absence of Richie. With Jon being uncommunicative with his fan base via social media (with the exception of birthday announcements or to sell swag) I don't feel any bond with the band as a fan.

Of course Jon is living a real life, I wasn't talking about the 'being rich' level. I am also not critizising that Jon surrounds himself with other famous people or moguls and lives in mansions. I was talking about a different level.

Jon doesn't know how social media works. Many people do not know it. Social media is not a one channel thing were your normal marketing strategies work, social media is a competence. It is about interaction and about bringing some real value to people.

[trevrox]

I'm not sure I understand this Facebook angle...