Stanley Park, Vancouver August 22????

crashed · #41 08-20-2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bj4ever

this just in....
they're playing Roger's Arena on Saturday for people with tickets!
No new tickets will be sold.

Good stuff.

bj4ever · #42 08-20-2015, 06:21 PM

just listened to the interview on the radio with bj management and apparently they're not getting paid and will lose a butt load of money.
Props to them if that's true!

golittleperson · #43 08-20-2015, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bj4ever

this just in....
they're playing Roger's Arena on Saturday for people with tickets!
No new tickets will be sold.

Will the fan club show combine with this or is it still separate? Anyone heard. This makes me wonder if JBJ and KOS will be low/no paid since they are honoring the Stanley park tickets, that sound like they were not paid fully or at all. I take it as a classy move - the fans who had tickets are being given their show, those who wanted to wait to last min. are out but IF the prior organizers are bk, then the ticket holders would have had to sue and get in line with other creditors to maybe (slim chance) of getting their money back.

rocknation · #44 08-20-2015, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey

According to the statement issued by the organizer, they're putting the blame on BJ Inc. because they repeatedly refused to postpone the show!

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For immediate Release:

For the past several weeks, Paper Rain has been advocating tirelessly for a postponement in the Stanley Park Concert by Jon Bon Jovi and the Kings of Suburbia because of a lack of ticket sales. The reality is that not enough tickets were sold to cover the cost of the artist and band’s fee, much less the other substantial costs involved.

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Take your seats, boys and girls -- today's lesson will be Concert Promoting 101:

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Tour promoters (also known as concert promoters or talent buyers) are the individuals or companies responsible for organizing a...special event performance...The promoter and (the performer's) agent...negotiate (a) live performance contract...

(T)he promoter must have upfront cash or sponsorship financing to...assume all the financial risk...(C)ompensation...depends on how successful the promoter is at negotiating with vendors and creating sold-out shows...

The REAL "reality" is that it's THE PROMOTER who pays the "artist, band fees and other substantial costs" with money that THEY either own or borrow from sponsors or investors. Those expenses are supposed to be paid for LONG before the performance date. And you do NOT pay those expenses out of ticket sale revenues for what should be a brutally obvious reason: in the event of a cancellation, ticket sale money must be refunded!

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The creative design was complete. The massive stage was in the city; the production team was busy at work; the light design had been finalized, the traffic management plan, safety plan and security plans were all in place; porta-potties had be secured and catering negotiated.

Male cattle droppings: you would have had to pay a deposit, at least, for all that preparatory work to be done. Are we to believe everyone worked for free and didn't mind waiting until the week before the show to be paid?

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...We received unqualified support from the City and from the Park Board with regard to building permits which were scheduled to be issued on Monday at 1:00pm when we took possession of the site from the last event. Although the show components had been worked on for more than a year and were in place, the ticket sales for the concert continued to lag. Even in light of unexpectedly low sales, we were prepared to work the artist’s management to do everything possible to bring the concert to fruition.

Okay, NOW we're getting somewhere. Who in the Vancouver government and on the Stanley Park board hired you though you had no front money? Time for some investigators to start connecting some dots!

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We were not allowed access to the artist for media interviews. We repeatedly requested access to collateral and marketing support materials but were advised that such materials did not exist...We were advised the artist would not be bringing merchandise for sale; and, VIP tickets that were reserved for the Jon Bon Jovi fan Club have never been paid for.

That only proves that BJ management was monitoring the situation and realized that as long as you couldn't pay anyone but Jon, there couldn't be a show. (I wouldn't be surprised if they set things up with Rogers Arena weeks earlier.) They knew the fecal matter was going to interface with the rotating air circulation device, and they just left you out there to twist in the wind!

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We had urged the artist’s management to grant us a postponement in order to protect the ticket buyers, the City, the Park Board, and our suppliers...We regret...that effective immediately, as a result of the above, Paper Rain Performances is insolvent.

The only thing you were protecting was your filthy little Ponzi scheme, you effing scumbag crooks -- as a "result," you're "insolvent" in more ways than one. But I'm sure the authorities appreciate your effectively confessing to fraud and larceny, Paper Rain. Who wrote that press release, by the way, a spoiled six-year-old?

rocknation · #45 08-20-2015, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bj4ever

just listened to the interview on the radio with bj management and apparently they're not getting paid and will lose a butt load of money. Props to them if that's true!

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Originally Posted by golittleperson

Will the fan club show combine with this or is it still separate? Anyone heard.

...I take it as a classy move - the fans who had tickets are being given their show...(T)he ticket holders would have had to sue and get in line with other creditors to maybe (slim chance) of getting their money back.

Here's an MP3 of the Korzilius interview.

The Runaways Tours VIP show is still on, and always was. The band was going to be in Vancouver anyway, and they had planned to do a second show anyway. So it isn't as though some major sacrifice is going on.

As for Jon having to take a huge loss, Paper Rain did pay him -- the real problem was that they couldn't pay anyone else, LOL! At worst, he will have to pay the band out of what he was paid. Throw in concession and merchandising revenue from Rogers Arena that will he now won't have to share with a promoter, and there's a very decent chance that he'll break even.

Old Joysey · #46 08-20-2015, 09:14 PM

2 more articles with the same info:
http://www.vancourier.com/news/bon-j...rday-1.2036388

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...197694?cmp=rss

Kudos to Jon for doing the right thing.

He and his management probably started working on holding the concert in another venue the day Paper Rain asked them to postpone it, I guess they smelled a rat at that very moment, that's why they could find another venue in such a short delay.

crashed · #47 08-20-2015, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rocknation

Here's an MP3 of the Korzilius interview.

The Runaways Tours VIP show is still on, and always was. The band was going to be in Vancouver anyway, and they had planned to do a second show anyway. So it isn't as though some major sacrifice is going on. And don't believe Paul about taking a huge loss.

Paper Rain did pay Jon -- their problem was that they couldn't pay anyone else, LOL! At worst, he will have to pay the band out of what he was paid. Throw in concession and merchandising revenue from Rogers Arena that he won't have to share with a promoter, and there's a very good chance that he'll break even.

Depends how much it costs to hire an arena, a stage for an arena show, security and staff at the venue, sound, lighting everything they need for the bigger show that I'm assuming would have been covered by the promoter for the Stanley Park gig. I'm imagining that stuff doesn't come cheap and there probably won't be much, if any change out of what Jon WAS paid for the gig and its likely he didn't get all of that.

Either way it's good he's doing what he's always done - not let down the fans.

Old Joysey · #48 08-21-2015, 01:48 PM

Still some fans are complaining and want a refund instead because they cancelled flights, hotel rooms and other arrangements and can't go to Vancouver:

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/08/f...-rogers-arena/

ezearis · #49 08-21-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey

Still some fans are complaining and want a refund instead because they cancelled flights, hotel rooms and other arrangements and can't go to Vancouver:

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/08/f...-rogers-arena/

**** them. I understand they're mad but this wasn't Jon's fault and he's even playing for free to honour his commitments.

Will they play some songs from Burning Bridges?

Old Joysey · #50 08-21-2015, 02:11 PM

I'm 99.9999% sure no BB songs will be played. Neither Bobby B. or Phil X played on the album, they aren't going to learn them in the blink of an eye + Jon said he wouldn't play this album live, it's an album to be discarded.

Stanley Park, Vancouver August 22????

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